NASA reports 2010 hottest year on record so far

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 11 Nov 2010, 20:17

http://climateprogress.org/2010/11/11/n ... rd-so-far/

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 08 Dec 2010, 14:30

Have a read of this link Biff, since they seem to have missed some relevant facts, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/06/b ... ome-sites/

Page down 5 times for the information.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 08 Dec 2010, 17:09

Sorry, what am I meant to be looking at?

Bandidoz · Post by **Bandidoz** » 08 Dec 2010, 17:24

You mean the bit where the running average stops at June? Surely that's just normal? He's also wrong to be comparing peaks, which is why running averages are used.

Pepperman · Post by **Pepperman** » 17 Dec 2010, 13:12

The salient graph is this one down at the bottom right which overlays the previously two hottest years:

bigger version

Which clearly shows that 2010 is on track. Watts is a complete joker - how anyone can take him seriously is beyond me.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 19 Dec 2010, 23:35

Hansen's data is coming in for some flak:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... ature.html

So what are these other datasets which show a global cooling?

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 19 Dec 2010, 23:46

I think the "other dataset" is one gathered by a posse of Torygraph reporters while on their way back from the pub at lunchtime

The necessary constants and conversion factors (many still the subject of ongoing research, of which, of course, more is necessary) include:

Freezing point of beer
wind chill factor of curry
sublimation point of garlic
Kelvin per brass monkey

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 20 Dec 2010, 00:02

The article doesn't actually reference what these other datasets are. The main complaint about Hansen's data is that he has used assumptions to 'fill in blanks' where there are no temperature surface readings.

The data used in the link snow hope posted is UAH (satellite) data, which although he is arguing the toss over whether 2010 is joint hottest with 1998, still shows the warming trend clearly.

It would be completely amazing to me if global temperatures rose in a completely linear fashion. The important thing is the long term trend, something which both datasets appear to agree on.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 20 Dec 2010, 00:32

What I wonder about is whether they include the surface of the sea (I mean as well as the air temp over the sea) in these measurements. After all, it holds much more heat than the air, and exchanges heat with it. If it turned out that for some reason the near-surface of the sea were cooling as the air warms, would that count as GW? Would it count as a problem?

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 20 Dec 2010, 12:11

All datasets agree.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/ ... data-sets/

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 20 Dec 2010, 16:08

The Arctic ice cover just got a tad less! First sign of spring?