Chill!

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 25 Nov 2010, 13:03

The big delivery of logs I have coming tomorrow looks very timely.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 25 Nov 2010, 13:39

We'll be chopping logs that are under cover at the weekend, snow permitting, and I've put the snow chains and a shovel in the back of my disco. Bring it on!!

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 25 Nov 2010, 13:48

My street never gets gritted, in spite of being a rat run in the morning rush hour. Last year I fell from my bike on black ice and was nearly squashed.

I got off and walked past that junction this morning.

Ice and bicycles don't mix.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 25 Nov 2010, 13:57

UndercoverElephant wrote:
biffvernon wrote:
snow hope wrote:Biff, that's a load of nonsense....
I would expect nothing less from the denialist faction of this forum.
Snow hope isn't part of the denialist faction of this forum.

I think he's described himself as an AGW-sceptic, actually.

woodpecker · Post by **woodpecker** » 25 Nov 2010, 17:21

Our road (steep hill, tight bends, exposed) was gritted by the time I got home from a meeting last night (9.30) but the surface was already looking unfriendly so I got off my bike and pushed up the hill.

I think some councils are already cutting back on gritting, and we'll probably see more of that in the future.

thecoalthief · Post by **thecoalthief** » 25 Nov 2010, 18:45

snow hope wrote:Biff, that's a load of nonsense....

We are getting cold weather simply due to the synoptics of the current meterological setup, with blocked Atlantic, with the weather coming from Scandinavia and Russia. The Arctic is not warm - you need to stop spreading untruths....

see this link, http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rhavn901.gif

Might be worth you reading this,
http://climatesignals.org/2010/11/arcti ... to-europe/

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 28 Nov 2010, 22:58

biffvernon wrote:
snow hope wrote:Biff, that's a load of nonsense....
I would expect nothing less from the denialist faction of this forum. My post was, of course, a gross oversimplification but sums up what a paper, a link to which I can't be bothered to find at the moment (go search ClimateProgress or RealClimate) said recently.

Take home message: The planet is warming and when mid latitudes show a cooling this can be hiding a greater overall warming.

Sceptic not denialist then, but whose slitting hairs?
Any way here's the paper: Vladimir Petoukhov, Vladimir A. Semenov. A link between reduced Barents-Kara sea ice and cold winter extremes over northern continents. Journal of Geophysical Research, 2010; 115 (D21): D21111 DOI: 10.1029/2009JD013568
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2 ... 3568.shtml

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 29 Nov 2010, 16:24

RalphW wrote:Arctic sea ice extent is once again at a record low for the time of year.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Yeah, it all seems to have fetched up in our street. And on my PV panels (which I had to brush again this morning). At this rate we'll be bribing the Russians to send an ice-breaker up the Ouse.

caspian · Post by **caspian** » 30 Nov 2010, 09:37

Ludwig wrote:I think he's described himself as an AGW-sceptic, actually.

No such thing. "AGW sceptic" is a denialist term which they use to make themselves seem less like swivel-eyed loonies. A bit like creationism has now become "intelligent design".

As I've said before, there's nothing sceptical about AGW sceptics.

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 30 Nov 2010, 12:49

swivelled eyed looney? must take what this person says more seriously..... NOT.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 30 Nov 2010, 12:55

caspian wrote:
Ludwig wrote:I think he's described himself as an AGW-sceptic, actually.
No such thing. "AGW sceptic" is a denialist term which they use to make themselves seem less like swivel-eyed loonies. A bit like creationism has now become "intelligent design".

As I've said before, there's nothing sceptical about AGW sceptics.

I don't like the words "denialist" or "denier", they both imply that AGW has been overwhelmingly proven and that someone is trying to whitewash over it.

This is not the case.

More distasteful is the subconscious link with the lunatic Holocaust deniers.

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 30 Nov 2010, 12:57

Interesting bit of research Biff.

The only trouble is that we have been told that all the mild winters we have had in the 1990s and 2000s are because of global warming. Now this research says that global warming MIGHT cause colder winters........ which is it to be - warmer winters or cooler winters?

And what about the summers - are they going to be warmer or cooler? I know the last 4 summers have been pretty poor to say the least. Previously we were told that our summers would become hotter and dryer - the South of England would become more Mediterranean like! Remember? Hmmm, not really going to plan is it........

Pepperman · Post by **Pepperman** » 30 Nov 2010, 13:15

Catweazle wrote:I don't like the words "denialist" or "denier", they both imply that AGW has been overwhelmingly proven and that someone is trying to whitewash over it.

This is not the case.

More distasteful is the subconscious link with the lunatic Holocaust deniers.

See now I don't like this hijacking of the word denial so that it apparently implies some direct link to Holocaust denial. It doesn't.

It's a perfectly valid word to describe the anti science position that's been adopted. I wouldn't say it's applicable to everyone who doesn't accept climate science because it's not a black and white issue, but it is applicable to the vast majority.

As for whitewash? Well yes that's exactly what's happened. Merchants of Doubt and Climate Cover Up document it very well indeed.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 30 Nov 2010, 13:42

snow hope wrote: The only trouble is that we have been told that all the mild winters we have had in the 1990s and 2000s are because of global warming. Now this research says that global warming MIGHT cause colder winters........ which is it to be - warmer winters or cooler winters?

And what about the summers - are they going to be warmer or cooler? I know the last 4 summers have been pretty poor to say the least. Previously we were told that our summers would become hotter and dryer - the South of England would become more Mediterranean like! Remember? Hmmm, not really going to plan is it........

Whose plan would that be snow? The aliens? The climate scientists who are after funding?

You may as well say that the lack of discovery of a Higgs Boson particle is evidence that the CERN scientists' plot to secure funding isn't going to plan.

As for bad summers, here in Manchester we had the worst drought in decades this summer. The previous two were appalling - and I don't just mean your dreary grey UK summer, I mean they were oppressive, the sky was black the cloud was so thick, and there was so much rain that I actually found frogspawn on my patio in September. Now you might think there is nothing abnormal about that, but it seems pretty fcuked up to me.

Solids are denser than liquids, aren't they. But hey, ice floats!! Physics just isn't going to plan really, is it. As if the climate system is so simple.

contadino · Post by **contadino** » 30 Nov 2010, 14:18

snow hope wrote:Interesting bit of research Biff.

The only trouble is that we have been told that all the mild winters we have had in the 1990s and 2000s are because of global warming. Now this research says that global warming MIGHT cause colder winters........ which is it to be - warmer winters or cooler winters?

And what about the summers - are they going to be warmer or cooler? I know the last 4 summers have been pretty poor to say the least. Previously we were told that our summers would become hotter and dryer - the South of England would become more Mediterranean like! Remember? Hmmm, not really going to plan is it........

There are several CC theories that result in the UK getting colder....much colder. However, I doubt the current (as in the last two winters) constitute climate change.

Still, look on the bright side....it would mean a mass exodus of CC migrants from the UK, which would suit those moaning about Foreigners in the Post Office.