I think the greatest danger, post-oil, won't be from from starvation. It's disease that'll cause the die-off.
Citizens in western societies live in a relatively sterile environment, thanks to all the soaps, antiseptics, retuculated water and sewerage syatems, antibiotics, disinfectants etc that surround them. All these things carry a heavy oil subsidy and when the oil goes. . . so do they. City dwellers have little natural resistance to common pathogens found in nature because they've lived most of their lives detached from nature. These pathogens will return quickly once the toxic barriers listed above are removed.
City dwellers have little fear of germs, thanks to the hygene products they take for granted. Few have the knowledge of how to stay clean and keep their surroundings hygenic without them. Dog s**t on the footpaths won't just be a nuisance, it'll be a deadly health risk, especially when domestic pets aren't vetted (wormed etc.) any more. Lack of fuel for heating will encourage people to 'huddle' creating ideal conditions for epidemics like influenza and other nastier things to spread. Right when health services have fewest resources to deal with the problem.
Moving to a small, rural community is looking better all the time.
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GovCorp: The disease, masquerading as the cure.
The cure?
http://www.reinventingmoney.com/
http://www.schumachersociety.org/
http://www.henrygeorge.org/chp1.htm
The cure?
http://www.reinventingmoney.com/
http://www.schumachersociety.org/
http://www.henrygeorge.org/chp1.htm
You have a really strong point here. Add prolonged stress, malnutrition and freezing to the brew, and diseases will be murderous again.Bootstrapper wrote:I think the greatest danger, post-oil, won't be from from starvation. It's disease that'll cause the die-off.
Citizens in western societies live in a relatively sterile environment, thanks to all the soaps, antiseptics, retuculated water and sewerage syatems, antibiotics, disinfectants etc that surround them. All these things carry a heavy oil subsidy and when the oil goes. . . so do they. City dwellers have little natural resistance to common pathogens found in nature because they've lived most of their lives detached from nature. These pathogens will return quickly once the toxic barriers listed above are removed.
City dwellers have little fear of germs, thanks to the hygene products they take for granted. Few have the knowledge of how to stay clean and keep their surroundings hygenic without them. Dog s**t on the footpaths won't just be a nuisance, it'll be a deadly health risk, especially when domestic pets aren't vetted (wormed etc.) any more. Lack of fuel for heating will encourage people to 'huddle' creating ideal conditions for epidemics like influenza and other nastier things to spread. Right when health services have fewest resources to deal with the problem.
Moving to a small, rural community is looking better all the time.
I found this on peakoil.com.......
An Open Letter to Medical Practitioners as well as to the General Public
An Open Letter to Medical Practitioners as well as to the General Public
Without fossil fuels, there seems no way that the world's population, and the Australian population will be sustained after 2050 or even 2030. Whether this reduction is voluntary (planned) or involuntary (the resulty of ensuing violence) is up to us.
"If the complexity of our economies is impossible to sustain [with likely future oil supply], our best hope is to start to dismantle them before they collapse." George Monbiot
You've got to hand it to the Aussies, they're way ahead of us and on the ball.DamianB wrote:I found this on peakoil.com.......
An Open Letter to Medical Practitioners as well as to the General Public
Without fossil fuels, there seems no way that the world's population, and the Australian population will be sustained after 2050 or even 2030. Whether this reduction is voluntary (planned) or involuntary (the resulty of ensuing violence) is up to us.
This seems like an opportunity here, for example couldn't we pressure the GMC (or a medical publication) to do something similar. It seems those involved in medicine are better placed than many to cope with the reality (i.e. they know what is meant by denial - I find it frustrating that some of my fellow engineers have a wee bit too much faith in technology).
Perhaps we could put a letter together, attach this, collect signatures and submit it to some medical people?
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The Aussies aren't that far ahead I'm afraid - although there are pressure groups campaigning about sustainable population levels (as there are in the UK) the governments, state and federal, are keen on population growth to fuel economic growth - it has fuelled a housing boom and developers love it. Half of Australia's economic growth is down to population growth.
Developers and business groups are campaigning for more immigration to increase the population even faster, meanwhile our cities get less and less sustainable - (most Aussies live in the big cities).
Developers and business groups are campaigning for more immigration to increase the population even faster, meanwhile our cities get less and less sustainable - (most Aussies live in the big cities).