Matt Simmons RIP

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Aug 2010, 14:16

Lord Beria3 wrote: David kelly, now that is a different matter

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10961016

A group of experts have renewed calls for a formal inquest into the death of government scientist Dr David Kelly.

They say the official cause of death - a haemorrhage - was "extremely unlikely" in the light of new evidence.

The claim comes in a letter from eight senior figures, including a coroner, published in the Times newspaper.

Dr Kelly's body was found in 2003 near his Oxfordshire home after he was exposed as the source of a BBC story on the grounds for going to war in Iraq.

Instead of a coroner's inquest, then Prime Minister Tony Blair asked Lord Hutton to conduct an investigation, which found Dr Kelly committed suicide.

Lord Hutton's inquiry found the 59-year-old died from blood loss after slashing his wrist with a blunt gardening knife.

The letter's signatories include a former coroner, Michael Powers, a former deputy coroner, Margaret Bloom, and Julian Bion, a professor of intensive care medicine.

They say Lord Hutton's conclusion is unsafe.

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 20 Aug 2010, 14:57

I think this is the information that Matt Simmons was trying to make public before his untimely death. So it would seem to me that at least some of what he was saying is now being verified......

"A study of the effects of the Deepwater Horizon spill has confirmed the presence of a toxic chemical residue one kilometre below the sea surface."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11028622

I still feel very ill at ease about the cause of his death.

syberberg · Post by **syberberg** » 20 Aug 2010, 15:10

snow hope wrote: I still feel very ill at ease about the cause of his death.

It's a pity he has died, but I seriously doubt that the concerns and issues he was raising were enough to warrant sending someone out with a little pill to place in his drink or food that will cause a massive heart attack and leave no trace.

Especially when anyone could take samples of the ocean and find out what's going on and then release the data, as per the BBC article you linked.

It would be far easier to discredit him somehow (think about the "Swiftboaters" who were paid by the Republican Party to discredit John Kerry's Vietnam War record).

Thousands of men die suddenly from heart attacks every year, sadly Matt Simmons is another member of that club.

Even though paranoia is a way of living your life with a heightened sense of awareness, maybe I'm not quite paranoid enough.

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 20 Aug 2010, 15:12

It seems the older I get, the more I learn, the more experiences I have and the more paranoid I become.....

syberberg · Post by **syberberg** » 20 Aug 2010, 15:20

snow hope wrote:It seems the older I get, the more I learn, the more experiences I have and the more paranoid I become.....

As if I didn't have enough to worry about in the future...

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 20 Aug 2010, 15:23

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 20 Aug 2010, 18:53

syberberg wrote:
snow hope wrote: I still feel very ill at ease about the cause of his death.
It's a pity he has died, but I seriously doubt that the concerns and issues he was raising were enough to warrant sending someone out with a little pill to place in his drink or food that will cause a massive heart attack and leave no trace.

If Simmons was right about there being a cover-up, the stakes would have been huge, and quite enough to justify an assassination.

Nor, if you've got the connections, do you have to be particularly careful about how you kill someone. Strings can be pulled in the police force and the legal profession to ensure that the "evidence" fits the official story. Viz. Kelly.

Especially when anyone could take samples of the ocean and find out what's going on and then release the data, as per the BBC article you linked.

Yes, but they might now think twice about doing it since Simmons' death. Assassinations are often coded warnings to others who are contemplating exposing the truth.

Of course S. may have died naturally, but on the other hand he wouldn't have been the first man in history to be murdered for not keeping his mouth shut. We don't know, but I think it's reasonable to have suspicions.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 20 Aug 2010, 20:45

I have to say, when I saw a recent photo of him, those ruddy cheeks said to me burst blood vessels and high blood pressure.

He was not the first recently retired investment banker to die of a heart attack. After a life time of high stress, rich food and zero exercise.

syberberg · Post by **syberberg** » 21 Aug 2010, 00:32

Ludwig wrote: If Simmons was right about there being a cover-up, the stakes would have been huge, and quite enough to justify an assassination.

Nope, sorry, but they weren't high enough to warrant an assassination, when it would be far easier just to discredit him or blackmail him. Everyone has a weakness and a price. And Simmons wasn't important enough a person to be worth bothering with for assassination. He didn't know enough, nor did he have any proof, it was just speculation. Seems he was right, but coincidences happen like that.

Nor, if you've got the connections, do you have to be particularly careful about how you kill someone. Strings can be pulled in the police force and the legal profession to ensure that the "evidence" fits the official story. Viz. Kelly.

I agree that something doesn't smell right about Dr. Kelly. But that was about something far more serious then an oil spill. Yes, it can happen and yes it does, but with far less frequency than you might think, or be willing to believe. Let's face it, John Smith died rather suddenly from a massive heart attack shortly before the election that Labour would've won...but he conveniently died and that allowed Blair to become leader and form New Labour. What makes those circumstances not suspicious, but Simmons' death suspicious?

Yes, but they might now think twice about doing it since Simmons' death. Assassinations are often coded warnings to others who are contemplating exposing the truth.

If that's the case, then it has failed spectacularly as the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in Massachusetts have done so and published their findings in Science.

Of course S. may have died naturally, but on the other hand he wouldn't have been the first man in history to be murdered for not keeping his mouth shut. We don't know, but I think it's reasonable to have suspicions.

No, he wouldn't, but then Mordechai Vanunu knew more and could do far more damage to the state of Israel if he'd released the information he held in regard to their nuclear program, but he was arrested. Strange that, considering Israel's actions and views regarding assassination.

Neily at the peak · Post by **Neily at the peak** » 21 Aug 2010, 15:38

He was 67!! still young, but only if your unrealistic about average life expectancy of the USA at 78.43 years.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 21 Aug 2010, 17:44

RalphW wrote:I have to say, when I saw a recent photo of him, those ruddy cheeks said to me burst blood vessels and high blood pressure.

He was not the first recently retired investment banker to die of a heart attack. After a life time of high stress, rich food and zero exercise.

Fair point. It does seem a coincidence that he died so soon after making his controversial statements, and odd that there were conflicting reports about the cause of his death. But coincidences happen, and it's true he didn't look a healthy man. Whatever the cause of his death doesn't really make any difference to the big picture anyhow.

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 22 Aug 2010, 00:28

It may not make any difference to the big picture, but it sure made a big difference to Matt Simmons - who had the balls to publicly point out over and over again that we have major problems in front of us.....

Whether he was right or wrong about the BP Deepwater spill, he had the balls to call it as he say it. And for that he gets my respect.

Only time will tell whether he was right or had lost his marbels as some people seem to think.

Very sad.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 03 Sep 2010, 04:44