Looks like they're not applying for planning until December, and are upsettig the locals already
http://www.stophinkley.org/PressReleases/pr100516.htm
There's a petition here
http://www.stophinkley.org/PETITION.htm
Hinkley Point
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I used to be a member of Stop Hinkley, as I lived quite close to it. Now I live in Wales, maybe I should spend some money searching out one of those elusive dragons that live here, and persuade it to fly across the Bristol Channel to destroy anything that gets built thereRGR wrote:Did you leave a donation? Signing is easy, even I did it and the solution to this problem looks pretty easy, but the cash...now giving them some of that is the REAL measure of random enthusiasm!
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There was a meeting last night at the Hinkley point training centre with an update being presented to the concerned residents of Shurton and surrounding hamlets.
From a PowerPoint presentation EDF showed they were to reposition the proposed southern boundary fence by approx 100m, add banking, trees and of course a security fence. This is thanks to the complaints of proximity, and I suspect the refusal of planning permission regard trial diggings in that area.
The site in France (Flamanville) will occupy just over 22-ha whereas Hinkley will be 49.4-ha. They have identified a potential of 170-ha which could be available. South of Green Lane Shurton they are looking at 9-ha for accommodation, 40-ha for storage and a lorry park.
The speaker from France (Monsieur Jean Dulac) explained the issues with the spoil removed from the diggings etc
The Spoil. The spread thickness will be 5.5m over a spread area of 50-ha. Then there will be 5000,000 cubic metres of spoil from the digging of 3 tunnels out to sea for the cooling water. For that amount they will need more land.
Not only is it Huge, it is getting bigger.
Alex
From a PowerPoint presentation EDF showed they were to reposition the proposed southern boundary fence by approx 100m, add banking, trees and of course a security fence. This is thanks to the complaints of proximity, and I suspect the refusal of planning permission regard trial diggings in that area.
The site in France (Flamanville) will occupy just over 22-ha whereas Hinkley will be 49.4-ha. They have identified a potential of 170-ha which could be available. South of Green Lane Shurton they are looking at 9-ha for accommodation, 40-ha for storage and a lorry park.
The speaker from France (Monsieur Jean Dulac) explained the issues with the spoil removed from the diggings etc
The Spoil. The spread thickness will be 5.5m over a spread area of 50-ha. Then there will be 5000,000 cubic metres of spoil from the digging of 3 tunnels out to sea for the cooling water. For that amount they will need more land.
Not only is it Huge, it is getting bigger.
Alex
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The dragons are nocturnal and sleep on the flags during the daytime. Of course it'd be the height of bad form to wake one up, though, so you'll have to find them at night.JohnB wrote:I used to be a member of Stop Hinkley, as I lived quite close to it. Now I live in Wales, maybe I should spend some money searching out one of those elusive dragons that live here, and persuade it to fly across the Bristol Channel to destroy anything that gets built thereRGR wrote:Did you leave a donation? Signing is easy, even I did it and the solution to this problem looks pretty easy, but the cash...now giving them some of that is the REAL measure of random enthusiasm!
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There are a lot more of them now though and not enough volcanos to go round, so they have to slum it on the flags as well.JohnB wrote:I thought they lived in extinct volcanoes. Ivor the Engine's friend Idris did!RenewableCandy wrote:The dragons are nocturnal and sleep on the flags during the daytime. Of course it'd be the height of bad form to wake one up, though, so you'll have to find them at night.
We are now into Stage 2 of the enquiry.
I would like to express thanks for the support we the residents of Cannington (Somerset) have had thus far regards the machinations of Électricité de France whose intent was to swamp our village as part of their infrastructure programme with a 900 car park-and-ride as well as accommodation hostels and a freight transfer facility.
Naturally we are relieved in the proposed reduction of scale as some of the above has since been scrapped except a 360 car parking area on a Greenfield site, and a proposed unwanted by-pass through the grounds of Brymore School. For the farming industry this has been a respected facility of long standing incorporating prime educational and agricultural use. To cut such a swathe cut through the site will be brutal vandalism.
We are primarily concerned regards the A39 through Bridgwater toward Minehead, being a Red Route. It was rated in a national survey as number 10 of the UK’s most dangerous roads, which is reinforced by the signs just outside Bridgwater stating the numbers of accidents ahead. 927 Casualties in 5 Years according to the signs
At present we have the Bridgwater Northern Distributor Road (Homberg Way) which is a by-product of the associated housing estates. As a by-pass not ideal but in reality was supposed to be a feeder road rather than a through route. The way it is configured and traffic is sent through an industrial estate (Wylds Road) demonstrates that. The fact it has become the main road is by default due to local knowledge & stat-navs. It was built where it was because someone else paid for it and was a caveat of the building programme.
When that road was closed for the busiest 2 weeks in August 2009 to attend to the inadequacies of the river bridge, there was resultant chaos in Bridgwater.
As far back as 1989 the Barnes report strongly advocated a dedicated road from the A38 Dunball area to the construction site. At that time traffic was a fraction of what it is today, and if trends continue the situation will worsen. Add to the present congestion all the construction traffic, the commuters to site and we will enter gridlock. Once potential visitors to Bridgwater realise there is a traffic issue, they will try and avoid the town when it comes to using any amenities that are on offer. The local traders may well suffer due to blockages of traffic and evasion by consumers.
Now is the time for the people of Bridgwater to enter the affray, and show the need for a decent avoidance by-pass for the town. To compliment this, a flood barrier could be integrated, as one will be needed soon in any case. The cost could well be shared with such a combined exercise.
May I stress we are NOT against the building of the Power Station, however there will be Long-Term traffic problems in Bridgwater.
I would like to express thanks for the support we the residents of Cannington (Somerset) have had thus far regards the machinations of Électricité de France whose intent was to swamp our village as part of their infrastructure programme with a 900 car park-and-ride as well as accommodation hostels and a freight transfer facility.
Naturally we are relieved in the proposed reduction of scale as some of the above has since been scrapped except a 360 car parking area on a Greenfield site, and a proposed unwanted by-pass through the grounds of Brymore School. For the farming industry this has been a respected facility of long standing incorporating prime educational and agricultural use. To cut such a swathe cut through the site will be brutal vandalism.
We are primarily concerned regards the A39 through Bridgwater toward Minehead, being a Red Route. It was rated in a national survey as number 10 of the UK’s most dangerous roads, which is reinforced by the signs just outside Bridgwater stating the numbers of accidents ahead. 927 Casualties in 5 Years according to the signs
At present we have the Bridgwater Northern Distributor Road (Homberg Way) which is a by-product of the associated housing estates. As a by-pass not ideal but in reality was supposed to be a feeder road rather than a through route. The way it is configured and traffic is sent through an industrial estate (Wylds Road) demonstrates that. The fact it has become the main road is by default due to local knowledge & stat-navs. It was built where it was because someone else paid for it and was a caveat of the building programme.
When that road was closed for the busiest 2 weeks in August 2009 to attend to the inadequacies of the river bridge, there was resultant chaos in Bridgwater.
As far back as 1989 the Barnes report strongly advocated a dedicated road from the A38 Dunball area to the construction site. At that time traffic was a fraction of what it is today, and if trends continue the situation will worsen. Add to the present congestion all the construction traffic, the commuters to site and we will enter gridlock. Once potential visitors to Bridgwater realise there is a traffic issue, they will try and avoid the town when it comes to using any amenities that are on offer. The local traders may well suffer due to blockages of traffic and evasion by consumers.
Now is the time for the people of Bridgwater to enter the affray, and show the need for a decent avoidance by-pass for the town. To compliment this, a flood barrier could be integrated, as one will be needed soon in any case. The cost could well be shared with such a combined exercise.
May I stress we are NOT against the building of the Power Station, however there will be Long-Term traffic problems in Bridgwater.
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Thought you might like to see this, that I took from on top of the Quantock Hills yesterday
Lovely rural area, and the photo is taken from an AONB. The wind farm would have been to the left of the power stations, and that's now where the new one is going. I can't help feeling that a few wind turbines would have been rather less visible.
Lovely rural area, and the photo is taken from an AONB. The wind farm would have been to the left of the power stations, and that's now where the new one is going. I can't help feeling that a few wind turbines would have been rather less visible.
This is from the Save Cannington Action Group website. WHICH CAN BE VIEWED HERE Whilst you are at it take a look at A BRIDGWATER BY-PASS, THE REAL SOLUTION
What are Sedgemoor District Council doing?
SEDGEMOOR DISTRICT COUNCIL REVIEW MEETING 22 SEPTEMBER 2010
A number of the Action Group members attended the SDC review meetings, both Executive and full Council, at which their reply to EDF’s Stage 2 Consultation Document was discussed. The draft response, jointly produced by SDC and consultants Ove Arup, runs to some 600 pages.
The response is littered with words such as ‘wholly inadequate, unsupported, not justified, lack of evidence, unsubstantiated, failure to consider alternative proposals’. Requests for more detail and a third stage of consultation are made - a proposal cannot be judged when its implications are not known. The criticism extends to all subjects: roads, transport, accommodation, compensation, lack of wide enough consultative areas, etc.
The Council unanimously accepted the draft with the addition of even more critical items; full details and a shorter summary will be made available on their website when finalised. This could be as soon as week commencing 27 September 2010 and an alert will be put on our website.
POSITIVE OUTCOMES
■ The Joint Planning Agreement between SDC, West Somerset Council and Somerset County Council appears to be working successfully
■ SDC have offered to work with EDF to find lasting solutions
■ EDF have been asked to consider routes for a North and West bypass for Bridgwater
■ SDC have been in contact with other local authorities who also have proposals for nuclear sites in their areas, a Congress and sharing of information are promised
■ SDC have stated their commitment to total transparency in their dealing with EDF
■ SDC have been lobbying the IPC (Infrastructure Planning Commission) and DECC (Department for Energy & Climate Change)
At last, we seem to be moving in the right direction!
ONGOING CONCERNS
■ Will EDF work with SDC, they are not obliged to do so? Nor are they obliged to undertake any further major changes, they could go straight to the IPC
■ EDF still seem determined to submit an application to the IPC in December 2010. This leaves a very short time to produce any significant underpinning of existing proposals let alone make major changes
■ There may not be a third consultation. The public may not therefore, see any future details of the plans until they appear as planning requests to local authorities
■ EDF may well attempt a re-submission of planning proposals for preparatory work, prior to submission of their main power station application
■ Current actions by EDF, ie detail workshops for Cannington Western bypass with stakeholders on Monday 27 September, do not give any confidence that they are listening!
WIDER CONSIDERATIONS
■ EDF have major financial problems which could slow down construction - the misery would last even longer
■ EDF do not have a proven design for the EPR 1600 Reactor System, there are major operational safety concerns
■ The two reactor systems of this type currently under construction abroad are both running significantly late, are over-budget and have serious construction problems
Any of these issues could affect Hinkley Point C, causing major delays and prolonging local problems.
To date, no nuclear power reactor has been built to programme.
The way forward is to keep vigilant on all fronts and to lobby wherever appropriate.
What are Sedgemoor District Council doing?
SEDGEMOOR DISTRICT COUNCIL REVIEW MEETING 22 SEPTEMBER 2010
A number of the Action Group members attended the SDC review meetings, both Executive and full Council, at which their reply to EDF’s Stage 2 Consultation Document was discussed. The draft response, jointly produced by SDC and consultants Ove Arup, runs to some 600 pages.
The response is littered with words such as ‘wholly inadequate, unsupported, not justified, lack of evidence, unsubstantiated, failure to consider alternative proposals’. Requests for more detail and a third stage of consultation are made - a proposal cannot be judged when its implications are not known. The criticism extends to all subjects: roads, transport, accommodation, compensation, lack of wide enough consultative areas, etc.
The Council unanimously accepted the draft with the addition of even more critical items; full details and a shorter summary will be made available on their website when finalised. This could be as soon as week commencing 27 September 2010 and an alert will be put on our website.
POSITIVE OUTCOMES
■ The Joint Planning Agreement between SDC, West Somerset Council and Somerset County Council appears to be working successfully
■ SDC have offered to work with EDF to find lasting solutions
■ EDF have been asked to consider routes for a North and West bypass for Bridgwater
■ SDC have been in contact with other local authorities who also have proposals for nuclear sites in their areas, a Congress and sharing of information are promised
■ SDC have stated their commitment to total transparency in their dealing with EDF
■ SDC have been lobbying the IPC (Infrastructure Planning Commission) and DECC (Department for Energy & Climate Change)
At last, we seem to be moving in the right direction!
ONGOING CONCERNS
■ Will EDF work with SDC, they are not obliged to do so? Nor are they obliged to undertake any further major changes, they could go straight to the IPC
■ EDF still seem determined to submit an application to the IPC in December 2010. This leaves a very short time to produce any significant underpinning of existing proposals let alone make major changes
■ There may not be a third consultation. The public may not therefore, see any future details of the plans until they appear as planning requests to local authorities
■ EDF may well attempt a re-submission of planning proposals for preparatory work, prior to submission of their main power station application
■ Current actions by EDF, ie detail workshops for Cannington Western bypass with stakeholders on Monday 27 September, do not give any confidence that they are listening!
WIDER CONSIDERATIONS
■ EDF have major financial problems which could slow down construction - the misery would last even longer
■ EDF do not have a proven design for the EPR 1600 Reactor System, there are major operational safety concerns
■ The two reactor systems of this type currently under construction abroad are both running significantly late, are over-budget and have serious construction problems
Any of these issues could affect Hinkley Point C, causing major delays and prolonging local problems.
To date, no nuclear power reactor has been built to programme.
The way forward is to keep vigilant on all fronts and to lobby wherever appropriate.
If it wasn't for pick-pockets & frisking at airports, I'd have no sex life at all .................Rodney Dangerfield.
420 acres in a beautiful part of the country, visible from the Quantock Hills AONB and Exmoor National Park. And NIMBYs complain about a few wind turbines 
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EdF’s Application for Hinkley C “Preliminary Works”: How To Object
Make sure you register your objection to EdF’s application to carry out “Preliminary Works” for Hinkley C. This being made in advance of receiving consent to build the power station itself. Full details of how to object can be found at the West Somerset Council website: http://www.westsomersetonline.gov.uk/Ho ... pplication A “non-technical summary” can be downloaded at http://easylink.westsomerset.gov.uk:82/ ... ageCount=1 or you can read the full application documents at WSC’s Williton offices. The deadline for comments is Wed 12 January.
The Preliminary Works involve pre-construction activity across an area of more than 420 acres (bigger than Williton) stretching from the Severn Estuary to the village of Shurton, filling in a beautiful valley and even starting excavation of the power station foundations. The plans include:
· Removal of the majority of trees and hedges
· Filling in a valley with excavated earth
· Closure of 11 kilometres of footpaths and bridlepaths, including the coast path
· Security fencing round the whole area
· Stripping topsoil and vegetation to make a terraced area for the proposed nuclear reactors
· New roads built across the site
· Underground streams re-routed
· The excavation of more than 2.3 million cubic metres of soil, sub-soil and rocks. This would be enough to fill Wembley Stadium twice over.
· Noise and dust from the excavation work and thousands of heavy goods vehicle movements.
· Construction of new sea protection along the coast
· Construction of a jetty out into the sea (separate application to the Maritime Management Organisation)
This work will also affect wildlife and protected areas:
* The coastline bordering this land is part of the Bridgwater Bay Site of Special Scientific Interest. Bridgwater Bay’s shallow waters and mudflats are a sanctuary for thousands of waders, ducks and other sea birds, especially in winter.
* The site is also bordered by Special Protection Areas, Special Areas of Conservation and a National Nature Reserve. Bridgwater Bay is designated as a wetland of international importance under the Ramsar Convention.
* Bird species found on land in the area include skylark, lesser whitethroat, Cetti’s warbler and nightingale.
* Many species of bat frequent the site, including the relatively rare lesser horseshoe variety.
You should object to the application on all these grounds, as well as the overall point that EdF are jumping the gun, there is no urgency and they will never be able to return the land to its original state should they fail to get approval for Hinkley C.
Public meetings about the Preliminary Works application will be held in Cannington (Wed 5 Jan, Cannington College, 6.30-9.30pm) and Stogursey (date to be decided when weather improves). Check the WSC website.
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EdF’s Application for Hinkley C “Preliminary Works”: How To Object
Make sure you register your objection to EdF’s application to carry out “Preliminary Works” for Hinkley C. This being made in advance of receiving consent to build the power station itself. Full details of how to object can be found at the West Somerset Council website: http://www.westsomersetonline.gov.uk/Ho ... pplication A “non-technical summary” can be downloaded at http://easylink.westsomerset.gov.uk:82/ ... ageCount=1 or you can read the full application documents at WSC’s Williton offices. The deadline for comments is Wed 12 January.
The Preliminary Works involve pre-construction activity across an area of more than 420 acres (bigger than Williton) stretching from the Severn Estuary to the village of Shurton, filling in a beautiful valley and even starting excavation of the power station foundations. The plans include:
· Removal of the majority of trees and hedges
· Filling in a valley with excavated earth
· Closure of 11 kilometres of footpaths and bridlepaths, including the coast path
· Security fencing round the whole area
· Stripping topsoil and vegetation to make a terraced area for the proposed nuclear reactors
· New roads built across the site
· Underground streams re-routed
· The excavation of more than 2.3 million cubic metres of soil, sub-soil and rocks. This would be enough to fill Wembley Stadium twice over.
· Noise and dust from the excavation work and thousands of heavy goods vehicle movements.
· Construction of new sea protection along the coast
· Construction of a jetty out into the sea (separate application to the Maritime Management Organisation)
This work will also affect wildlife and protected areas:
* The coastline bordering this land is part of the Bridgwater Bay Site of Special Scientific Interest. Bridgwater Bay’s shallow waters and mudflats are a sanctuary for thousands of waders, ducks and other sea birds, especially in winter.
* The site is also bordered by Special Protection Areas, Special Areas of Conservation and a National Nature Reserve. Bridgwater Bay is designated as a wetland of international importance under the Ramsar Convention.
* Bird species found on land in the area include skylark, lesser whitethroat, Cetti’s warbler and nightingale.
* Many species of bat frequent the site, including the relatively rare lesser horseshoe variety.
You should object to the application on all these grounds, as well as the overall point that EdF are jumping the gun, there is no urgency and they will never be able to return the land to its original state should they fail to get approval for Hinkley C.
Public meetings about the Preliminary Works application will be held in Cannington (Wed 5 Jan, Cannington College, 6.30-9.30pm) and Stogursey (date to be decided when weather improves). Check the WSC website.
I have seen in the local press there was an analogy using Football fields as a comparison tool where the figure was 158 pitches over a 171 hectare area. Sadly the calculations are seriously wrong.
It seems the flaw in the arithmetic was from source. Whether that was the Public Relations company, or EDF themselves is open for speculation; but if the latter, then it scares me as we will have an organisation who are about to embark on possibly the largest construction of its type in the south and west, yet they cannot do fundamental sums.
The size of the proposed site is 171 hectares, and the article states that equates to more than 158 football pitches. This is where my maths and the printed item disagree.
A hectare is 10,000 square metres and a standard football field (being 100m by 50m) will take up 5,000 square metres, divide that into 1,710,000 (being 171 x 10,000) and you will have in fact 342 football fields. 171 may not sound a lot, but take it in perspective and you are in the millions regards metres.
Another small point, it has been made clear there will be no improvement to the existing A39 and 164 daily HGV’s will be taking this route in order to facilitate the operation, has anyone factored in the fact there will be journeys each way, therefore doubling that estimate? If they have, they certainly have not pointed it out. Possibly they have used the same number cruncher that produced the earlier comparisons with football fields.
My reason for concern, all this relates simply to the initial stages and preparations for development. This is before the main build, and prior to the construction of a by-pass on the Brymore side of Cannington. Incidentally in addition to all this, there will be the logistics involved with the proposed jetty which comes in under yet another planning application.
Yet they have no intention of upgrading the existing road situation for either of the two aforementioned projects. This means all this heavy traffic will be using the A39 through Bridgwater and Cannington, then onto the Hinkley point road which by today’s standard is woefully inadequate.
At least those travelling to Williton and beyond will have the option of avoidance using the A358 from Taunton is a viable alternative.
I see there are sweeteners on offer for the adjacent neighbours, such as double glazing and cavity wall insulation etc. All fine and dandy, but those who are not subject to a preservation order will already have double glazing I suspect, and how do you add cavity insulation to a stone built property I wonder? All this was brought up at a public meeting in June at Hinkley Point, and they didn’t have an answer then, therefore EDF clearly didn’t listen or understand the question.
I have said from the start I am in favour of the proposal of Hinkley C. However we need to get it right for ourselves and subsequent generations. The model they have presented to date is very poor indeed. There may be opportunities that are open for exploitation, but there is a duty that EDF need to demonstrate properly to us the residents that they will get it right.
Importantly those who have concerns regards the way this affair is being handled, or indeed mishandled, you need to make your sentiments known to the appropriate planning authorities.
Alex
It seems the flaw in the arithmetic was from source. Whether that was the Public Relations company, or EDF themselves is open for speculation; but if the latter, then it scares me as we will have an organisation who are about to embark on possibly the largest construction of its type in the south and west, yet they cannot do fundamental sums.
The size of the proposed site is 171 hectares, and the article states that equates to more than 158 football pitches. This is where my maths and the printed item disagree.
A hectare is 10,000 square metres and a standard football field (being 100m by 50m) will take up 5,000 square metres, divide that into 1,710,000 (being 171 x 10,000) and you will have in fact 342 football fields. 171 may not sound a lot, but take it in perspective and you are in the millions regards metres.
Another small point, it has been made clear there will be no improvement to the existing A39 and 164 daily HGV’s will be taking this route in order to facilitate the operation, has anyone factored in the fact there will be journeys each way, therefore doubling that estimate? If they have, they certainly have not pointed it out. Possibly they have used the same number cruncher that produced the earlier comparisons with football fields.
My reason for concern, all this relates simply to the initial stages and preparations for development. This is before the main build, and prior to the construction of a by-pass on the Brymore side of Cannington. Incidentally in addition to all this, there will be the logistics involved with the proposed jetty which comes in under yet another planning application.
Yet they have no intention of upgrading the existing road situation for either of the two aforementioned projects. This means all this heavy traffic will be using the A39 through Bridgwater and Cannington, then onto the Hinkley point road which by today’s standard is woefully inadequate.
At least those travelling to Williton and beyond will have the option of avoidance using the A358 from Taunton is a viable alternative.
I see there are sweeteners on offer for the adjacent neighbours, such as double glazing and cavity wall insulation etc. All fine and dandy, but those who are not subject to a preservation order will already have double glazing I suspect, and how do you add cavity insulation to a stone built property I wonder? All this was brought up at a public meeting in June at Hinkley Point, and they didn’t have an answer then, therefore EDF clearly didn’t listen or understand the question.
I have said from the start I am in favour of the proposal of Hinkley C. However we need to get it right for ourselves and subsequent generations. The model they have presented to date is very poor indeed. There may be opportunities that are open for exploitation, but there is a duty that EDF need to demonstrate properly to us the residents that they will get it right.
Importantly those who have concerns regards the way this affair is being handled, or indeed mishandled, you need to make your sentiments known to the appropriate planning authorities.
Alex
If it wasn't for pick-pockets & frisking at airports, I'd have no sex life at all .................Rodney Dangerfield.