Climate scepticism 'on the rise', BBC poll shows

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 15 Feb 2010, 08:38

The 90% figure is a political construct. It would have been 95% but for the intervention of the Saudi delegation. Science doesn't really gert much more certain than that when mediated by politicians.

There's as much point in debating AGW as there is in debating that the Earth is round.

For sure, we might have constructive discussions about the sphericity of the geoid, spatial deviations from a homogeneous body subject to gravity, the geological causes of variation, dynamic process in the mantle and so on, but this has to done from the standpoint that the Earth is not flat.

So it is with the climatic aspects of Earth science.

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 15 Feb 2010, 14:07

biffvernon wrote:There's as much point in debating AGW as there is in debating that the Earth is round.

Well I suppose you are entitled to that opinion - just sad that you can't keep a slightly more open mind.

But there is no point in discussing it further - see my previous point.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 15 Feb 2010, 15:53

Well I looked out the winder this morning, and yup, sure seemed Flat to me...

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 15 Feb 2010, 18:18

If the world was flat you would be able to see to China (if it wasn't for the distance in between).

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 16 Feb 2010, 20:12

snow hope wrote:It is hard to debate with people who feel they are fundamentally certain about something

Especially when they hold such strong beliefs without checking the facts or just because someone "told them it was so" (e.g. in the case of "constant growth").

In past times, these same personality types would've been burning witches at the stake.

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 16 Feb 2010, 20:13

biffvernon wrote:If the world was flat you would be able to see to China (if it wasn't for the distance in between).

And the mountains, and the haze over the oceans etc etc...

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 16 Feb 2010, 21:45

fifthcolumn wrote:
biffvernon wrote:If the world was flat you would be able to see to China (if it wasn't for the distance in between).
And the mountains, and the haze over the oceans etc etc...

Wouldn't be any oceans, Dumbo, they would all have flowed over the edge.

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 16 Feb 2010, 21:50

kenneal wrote: Wouldn't be any oceans, Dumbo, they would all have flowed over the edge.

What edge, Clown, everyone knows the flat world goes on for ever....

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 16 Feb 2010, 22:01

fifthcolumn wrote:
kenneal wrote: Wouldn't be any oceans, Dumbo, they would all have flowed over the edge.
What edge, Clown, everyone knows the flat world goes on for ever....

'Till you meet the other side. Oh no! that's the infinite universe.

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 16 Feb 2010, 23:19

kenneal wrote: 'Till you meet the other side. Oh no! that's the infinite universe.

Or you may tie your mind in knots, Gordian or otherwise...

Post by **clv101** » 17 Feb 2010, 15:55

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 05 Mar 2010, 04:10

BBC iPlayer - 27/03/10

The Rise Of The Sceptics

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Sceptics/