The climate denial industry is out to dupe the public

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 13 Dec 2009, 18:58

Vortex wrote:
Six out of ten sickness benefits claimants could go back to work, official research found yesterday.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ister.html

Look folks, Vortex is quoting from the Daily Mail!

Who's next? The 'overwhelming' number of illegal immigrants?

Bigotry - the last faculty to fail.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 13 Dec 2009, 20:27

I don't care about the source: Is the data incorrect?

Throwing words like 'bigotry' around to mask facts is not helpful.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:05

Ah yes. There are people like RC and there are people who read the Daily Mail.
Non-intersecting sets.

2 As and a B · Post by **2 As and a B** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:16

Vortex wrote:
Six out of ten sickness benefits claimants could go back to work, official research found yesterday.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ister.html

Someone at the Daily Wail wrote:The researchers said having a job could actually help those with stress or depression recover more quickly.

So how does that work?

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:17

My point is that industry, for its own perfectly good reasons, hates hiring people whose health is "marginal".

I once was severely ill with a virus for a year or so.

I could work but only 9-to-5 rather than my usual 8-to-10.

I expected to be sacked ... but I was promoted, and the number of people reporting to me was reduced.

It all worked out well.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:27

8-to-10? That's daft.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:31

biffvernon wrote:8-to-10? That's daft.

18th employee in a hi-tech startup which grew to 450 staff in about 2 years.

8-to-11 6 days a week plus Sundays till lunchtime for first year.

People who left at 9PM were regarded as part-timers and shirkers!

Huge stock allocation (not just stock options) plus performance related bonus plus super salary concentrates the mind ...

Bought an Audi A4 with my first bonus.

Not good for family life 'tho.

Had to carry a passport at all times and always have a packed travel bag in the car.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:57

Vortex wrote:
My point is that industry, for its own perfectly good reasons, hates hiring people whose health is "marginal".
I once was severely ill with a virus for a year or so.

I could work but only 9-to-5 rather than my usual 8-to-10.

I expected to be sacked ... but I was promoted, and the number of people reporting to me was reduced.

It all worked out well.

Well I suppose you get the odd enlightened firm, exception that proves the rule and all that

. The Uni I worked for, for example, were better at dealing with occasional absences: after all I still wrote papers.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 13 Dec 2009, 22:27

Well I suppose you get the odd enlightened firm

Being permitted to work just 9-to-5 when ill is ENLIGHTENED???

(Actually the first 80 or so staff had the startup-ethos so we had 'signed up' for the workload)

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Dec 2009, 22:41

Vortex wrote:
Well I suppose you get the odd enlightened firm
Being permitted to work just 9-to-5 when ill is ENLIGHTENED???

Cue "4 Yorkshiremen"...

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 13 Dec 2009, 22:48

"Aye, at my first startup we only had stock options, not real stock."

"Stock options? STOCK OPTIONS? You jammy git. At my first startup we were offered a bonus of $100k at IPO ... stock options were narry but a dream!"

"Bonus? BONUS? When I worked for startups I was promised 72 virgins - but I had to DIE of hard work first!"

"Virgins? VIRGINS? You lucky bastard! We only got 3 drug addled prostitutes!"

""Prostitutes? PROSTITUTES? If we achieved a successful IPO all we got was 5 minutes behind the bicycle sheds with Jeremy from Accounts!"

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 13 Dec 2009, 23:07

Vortex wrote:
biffvernon wrote:8-to-10? That's daft.
18th employee in a hi-tech startup which grew to 450 staff in about 2 years.

8-to-11 6 days a week plus Sundays till lunchtime for first year.

People who left at 9PM were regarded as part-timers and shirkers!

My observation is that while some people thrive on that kind of pressure, the majority of people do not. If you are really, really enthused by the work, and it is work that comes naturally to you, then you are likely to put up with a lot more than people who need "down time" to be able to function properly; than people who have interests outside work; or than people who - shock horror - don't actually find their jobs particularly stimulating.

I've worked for adrenaline junkies and didn't like it much. I'd say 60-70% of their underlings felt the same as I did. Sometimes the tasks I was asked to do were simply impossible because my mind wasn't able to work fast enough - didn't matter how many hours I worked. I realise now that there was nothing I could do about that; most managers expect the people under them to be exactly like themselves in terms of both skills and motivation.

I have always been prepared to work long hours when necessary, but I've never subscribed to the macho idea that anything short of completely exhausting yourself with work, month in, month out, is slacking. And I've never enjoyed any job enough to become willfully obsessed by it.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Dec 2009, 07:06

Vortex wrote:
biffvernon wrote:8-to-10? That's daft.
Not good for family life.

There you are, my point is proved. It's daft. I mean, when was there time to tend your veggie plot, look after your mother-in-law, read to your children. What is an Audi A4 for? Why cary a paaport? Super salary confubulates the mind. Daft.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 14 Dec 2009, 08:35

Vortex wrote:18th employee in a hi-tech startup which grew to 450 staff in about 2 years.

8-to-11 6 days a week plus Sundays till lunchtime for first year.

People who left at 9PM were regarded as part-timers and shirkers!

Huge stock allocation (not just stock options) plus performance related bonus plus super salary concentrates the mind ...

Bought an Audi A4 with my first bonus.

Not good for family life 'tho.

Had to carry a passport at all times and always have a packed travel bag in the car.

Chill out Vortex.

Work isn't the b all and end all you know. Spare some time for your family, friends and hobby activities.

Money? Remember - there are no pockets in a shroud.

contadino · Post by **contadino** » 14 Dec 2009, 08:45

Vortex wrote:
biffvernon wrote:8-to-10? That's daft.
18th employee in a hi-tech startup which grew to 450 staff in about 2 years.

8-to-11 6 days a week plus Sundays till lunchtime for first year.

People who left at 9PM were regarded as part-timers and shirkers!

Huge stock allocation (not just stock options) plus performance related bonus plus super salary concentrates the mind ...

Bought an Audi A4 with my first bonus.

Not good for family life 'tho.

Had to carry a passport at all times and always have a packed travel bag in the car.

Yes, been there done that. Bunch of arse.

But never been so happy as since I dropped below the poverty line.