Do government know about Peak Oil?

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

Moderator: Peak Moderation

Post Reply
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin
Posts: 14290
Joined: 20 Sep 2006, 02:35
Location: Newbury, Berkshire
Contact:

Do government know about Peak Oil?

Post by kenneal - lagger »

Last Friday I attended a conference in Winchester run by Southampton University and Winchester Action on Climate Change. One of the speakers was Alan Lawson MP, Labour, and ex government minister, who was fully aware of Peak Oil and the consequences. Another was ????? Channon MP, Labour, who also got it. So there is no way that the government cannot know about PO.

There was also a guy from SEEDA, the South East England Development Agency, who was talking about Sustainable Green Growth and how they were planning to achieve it. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink! I don't think he had listened to the other speakers such as Richard Douthewaite from Feasta and Peter Harper from CAT.

Peter Harper's main contribution was to show that the biggest carbon savings that a well off person can make is not by insulating their home but in drastically curbing their spending. They buy so much stuff and fly so much that the available savings on insulating their houses are much less than their spending generate. That was a shock to the good, if rich burghers of Winchester! Rich man, eye of a needle, heaven and so forth!

By the way, Alan Lawson is not very hopeful about anything being done to plan for PO or CC. He is a doomer.
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
User avatar
biffvernon
Posts: 18538
Joined: 24 Nov 2005, 11:09
Location: Lincolnshire
Contact:

Post by biffvernon »

Did you read Ed Milliband's lecture from last week: http://bit.ly/4CZ5uZ
Government ministers are saying stuff that they would not have dreamt of a few years ago.
User avatar
Mean Mr Mustard
Posts: 1555
Joined: 31 Dec 2006, 12:14
Location: Cambridgeshire

Post by Mean Mr Mustard »

ALL Tories should be aware of it, even if their constituents haven't engaged their MPs on this. (Mine got gven the 'Oil Age' Poster and the Strahan book.)

A word search of the Conservative Party's Quality of Life Report shows the phrase 'Peak Oil' repeated 6 times....

http://www.qualityoflifechallenge.com/
1855 Advertisement for Kier's Rock Oil -
"Hurry, before this wonderful product is depleted from Nature’s laboratory."

The Future's so Bright, I gotta wear Night Vision Goggles...
User avatar
Mean Mr Mustard
Posts: 1555
Joined: 31 Dec 2006, 12:14
Location: Cambridgeshire

Post by Mean Mr Mustard »

Question for our own John Hemming -

What's the general level of PO awareness amongst MPs? Or have they been distracted by certain other, er, reputational issues... :evil:
1855 Advertisement for Kier's Rock Oil -
"Hurry, before this wonderful product is depleted from Nature’s laboratory."

The Future's so Bright, I gotta wear Night Vision Goggles...
fifthcolumn
Posts: 2525
Joined: 22 Nov 2007, 14:07

Re: Do government know about Peak Oil?

Post by fifthcolumn »

kenneal wrote:So there is no way that the government cannot know about PO.
All western governments know about peak oil.
That they buy into the doomer line or the back-to-the-land line is another question entirely.
Vortex
Posts: 6095
Joined: 16 May 2006, 19:14

Re: Do government know about Peak Oil?

Post by Vortex »

fifthcolumn wrote:
kenneal wrote:So there is no way that the government cannot know about PO.
All western governments know about peak oil.
That they buy into the doomer line or the back-to-the-land line is another question entirely.
I expect that many secretly hope/expect the 3rd world to bear the brunt of cuts - or lack of growth.

Then the 2.9th world ... then the 2.8th world ...

First to be left to the wolves will be Central Africa, Burma, Nepal .. and then Vietnam, Cambodia ... and then some Central & South American states ... then Georgia, Slovakia, Serbia ... and after that it will be ... the UK and other weak European states.

Last Man Standing.
User avatar
clv101
Site Admin
Posts: 10559
Joined: 24 Nov 2005, 11:09
Contact:

Re: Do government know about Peak Oil?

Post by clv101 »

Vortex wrote:I expect that many secretly hope/expect the 3rd world to bear the brunt of cuts - or lack of growth....

Last Man Standing.
The opposite seems to be happening, never mind last man standing, more like first man falling!!

Image

This is a chart from a really great essay by Stuart Staniford:
http://earlywarn.blogspot.com/2009/11/o ... overy.html
User avatar
PS_RalphW
Posts: 6977
Joined: 24 Nov 2005, 11:09
Location: Cambridge

Post by PS_RalphW »

the OECD has the most opulent lifestyle, and so the most discressionary use of oil - at least at first. It also has the highest per capita earnings, so it can afford to outbid everyone else - err maybe not any more. :? We have a lot of debt to pay off, collectively.

As someone said (in a slightly different context) the party's over.
Blue Peter
Posts: 1939
Joined: 24 Nov 2005, 11:09
Location: Milton Keynes

Re: Do government know about Peak Oil?

Post by Blue Peter »

clv101 wrote:This is a chart from a really great essay by Stuart Staniford:
Chris,

What happened to Stuart on TOD? He suddenly seemed to disappear, though, from the above, he is obviously still writing about PO,


Peter.
Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the seconds to hours?
Blue Peter
Posts: 1939
Joined: 24 Nov 2005, 11:09
Location: Milton Keynes

Post by Blue Peter »

To answer my own question, reading the comments, this article seems to be a return to blogging,


Peter.
Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the seconds to hours?
User avatar
Mean Mr Mustard
Posts: 1555
Joined: 31 Dec 2006, 12:14
Location: Cambridgeshire

Post by Mean Mr Mustard »

Scary graph, innit? Looks like ELM?
1855 Advertisement for Kier's Rock Oil -
"Hurry, before this wonderful product is depleted from Nature’s laboratory."

The Future's so Bright, I gotta wear Night Vision Goggles...
Post Reply