CO2 emissions graphs

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 12 Nov 2009, 12:35

A thought-provoking CO2-emission graphical activity:

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb- ... =Y&tlen=45

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 12 Nov 2009, 12:52

Yes, interesting. Why is Norway going through the roof?

Post by **clv101** » 12 Nov 2009, 13:21

Check out Russia, dropped by a third in 5 years post 1990.

Also see Kazakhstan, Belarus, Romania, Moldova...

A similar economic collapse in the capitalist west is likely to crash CO2 in a similar way.

Also see:
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb- ... =Y&tlen=45

USSR collapse was the external shock. Cuba adapted reducing by a third starting in sync with the external shock. North Korea attempted to carry on business as usual, oblivious to the external shock, manages for a few years then crashed by three-quarters.

Are 'we' going to follow a Cuban or North Korean trajectory?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 12 Nov 2009, 13:43

If you add lots of countries you see how the world really is divided into three groups - the poor ones down the bottom, the rich ones clustered in the middle - and Canada, Australia and then USA way out on its own at the top.

The contrasts are starkly portrayed.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 12 Nov 2009, 15:05

The IEA is reporting that global energy consumption (and, presumably CO2 emissions) has fallen in 2009 for the first time since 1981.

The oil drum has an analysis of oil consumption between OECD and rest of the world.

Bottom lines
- Rest of the world exports 25Mbd to OECD
- OECD production peaked in 1997
- OECD consumption peaked 2006
- OECD consumption declining 3.1% per year
- ROW consumption growing exponentially at 3.2% per year, with no slow down through the recession.

Predictions:
Even without peak oil, supply is not rising as fast as demand.
OECD countries are being outbid by ROW for the available supply of oil.
ROW will pass 50% of global consumption about 2015
OECD will see a shortfall of supply relative to nominal demand of 20mbd by 2020.
That amount of demand destruction can only be met by repeated oil price shocks every 2 - 3 years driving the OECD into ever deeper depresssion.

And that doesn't even factor in peak oil supply!

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5944

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 13 Nov 2009, 22:04

Yeah, but these figures hide the more important background changes in the energy economy:

They don't show the outsourcing of demand from developed states to the cheap manufacturing economies of Asia for example, which on recent DEFRA research would add 40% to the UK's emissions; and

The switch to natural gas, with its inherently higher efficiency, held emissions static/slightly lower in most developed states from the 1980s, but as gas becomes problematic, and more coal is now being used, then these figures will rise slowly -- assuming the global economy doesn't melt-down first as a result of the oil peak!

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 14 Nov 2009, 04:20

Cyprus in nearly equal to the UK!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Nov 2009, 08:48

Cyprus is an extremely busy Permanent Joint Operating Base with RAF personnel at Akrotiri. It supports ongoing operations in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as support for the Sovereign Base area on the Island. The RAF uses RAF Akrotiri as a forward mounting base for overseas operations in the Middle East and also for Fast Jet Weapons Training.

That must account for rather a lot of CO2

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 17 Nov 2009, 23:15

What on earth were they doing in the Czech Republic in the 80s??? Nearly as high as the USA.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 17 Nov 2009, 23:19

biffvernon wrote:If you add lots of countries you see how the world really is divided into three groups - the poor ones down the bottom, the rich ones clustered in the middle - and Canada, Australia and then USA way out on its own at the top.

UAE make the Yanks look like amateurs!

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 17 Nov 2009, 23:33

biffvernon wrote:If you add lots of countries you see how the world really is divided into three groups - the poor ones down the bottom, the rich ones clustered in the middle - and Canada, Australia and then USA way out on its own at the top.

Try clicking Luxembourg, Kuwait, Qatar and UEA...

Why is Luxembourg so high? Is it something to do with Germans going there to fill up on low-tax petrol??

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 17 Nov 2009, 23:57

RenewableCandy wrote:UAE make the Yanks look like amateurs!

Even the Yanks don't build ski slopes in the desert, so is it suprising?