Swine Fever - any thoughts?

[clv101]

And we had fresh anchovies for lunch yesterday. To my mind they are one of the tastiest foods in the world. But they are hoovered up by the megatonne to be used as farm fertiliser, chicken feed or fed to salmon. What a waste. Wherever you look, there's waste. Waste that detracts from the potential good life of 7bn people.

I saw The End of The Line today, one point they made was the madness of farmed predator fish. Farmed salmon are fed anchovies, it take 5 kg of anchovy for every kg of salmon.

[RenewableCandy]

I read a report (can't remember where) from St. Petersburg in the 1990s, and the journalist wrote that what struck him was the pervasive atmosphere of despair.

I was there. It was bloody obvious I was a forriner because I was the only woman with (non-painted) colour in her face, and a smile.

However it also happened to be the most grim time of year (late March) and so you have to check that St Petersburg isn't like that every spring (I don't know becasue I promised myself I'd stick to other times of year in future!).

And, frankly, the Russians "do" dispair with so much more style than us Brits.

What I'm trying to say is the journalist should have compared it with some other epoch as a control.

[biffvernon]

Farmed salmon are fed anchovies, it take 5 kg of anchovy for every kg of salmon.

And anchovies taste better than salmon. What a crazy world.

[Ludwig]

I read a report (can't remember where) from St. Petersburg in the 1990s, and the journalist wrote that what struck him was the pervasive atmosphere of despair.

I was there. It was bloody obvious I was a forriner because I was the only woman with (non-painted) colour in her face, and a smile.

However it also happened to be the most grim time of year (late March) and so you have to check that St Petersburg isn't like that every spring (I don't know becasue I promised myself I'd stick to other times of year in future!).

I think I'm inclined to trust the journalist's judgment. I know Russia was grim in the Communist era, but many Russians in the 1990s were complaining that things were better under Communism. Common sense says to me that there is a link between despair and economic gloom.

And, frankly, the Russians "do" dispair with so much more style than us Brits.

What I'm trying to say is the journalist should have compared it with some other epoch as a control.

He was a journalist, not a research biologist! A good journalist relies a lot on his gut feelings.

My guess is that if you go to Russia now, you will find it, on the whole, a happier place than it's ever been in its, admittedly mostly miserable, history.

[jonny2mad]

my thoughts on swine flu are Im not going to take any vaccine Id be willing to go to jail or on the run to avoid taking it , I dont trust my government .

somethings causing the rise in cancer and loss of fertility and partly it could be vaccinations and if Im not sure Im going to avoid it.

http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html

for years people laughed at people talking about chemtrails and that the govt was spraying us well it comes out they were

the uk http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Artic ... 07,00.html

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 8441775712

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 2509610222

also britain and america asked the head of the apartied bioweapons labs during apartied to come up with something that would cause infertility that could be put in vaccines .


you can do your own research into what our govt are up to, and remember they have come out to be liars to get us involved in wars, and they admit they have secret prisons where they rape children as a form of interrogation, if you think govt is your friend your daft .

[Ludwig]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... erica.html

Hmmmmm...

Hah. NOW tell us there's nothing fishy going on.

For those who didn't follow the link:

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

(My emphasis.)

[clv101]

Hah. NOW tell us there's nothing fishy going on.

Hah. NOW tell us you don't actually read the Daily Mail?

[Ludwig]

Hah. NOW tell us there's nothing fishy going on.

Hah. NOW tell us you don't actually read the Daily Mail?

What a facile response. Your implication is that the Mail is making it up, in which case it will be sued, so let's see, eh?

[snow hope]

Hey ludwig, I don't think that was Chris's implication. I think he was having a light hearted leg-pull.

But I agree that I will be in no rush to take any vaccine!

[clv101]

Hah. NOW tell us there's nothing fishy going on.

Hah. NOW tell us you don't actually read the Daily Mail?

What a facile response. Your implication is that the Mail is making it up, in which case it will be sued, so let's see, eh?

No, the implication is that the Daily Mail prints sensationalist trash that any thinking person doesn't take seriously.

The news here is that the Health Protection Agency has asked doctors to check for increases in GBS when the national vaccination programme begins. This is absolutely the right thing to do. Flu vaccines do carry this risk, it is only sensible to watch for it with a new vaccine. In the US with the 70's outbreak, 40m were vaccinated with 25 deaths from GBS - less than one in a million!

The normal seasonal flu vaccine also carries a risk of GBS but we don't hear the newspapers shouting about do we?

This story is nothing more than irresponsible, sensationalist journalism playing on people's interest in swine flu and irrational fear of government and vaccines. Just what the Daily Mail love.

[Ludwig]

my thoughts on swine flu are Im not going to take any vaccine Id be willing to go to jail or on the run to avoid taking it , I dont trust my government .

somethings causing the rise in cancer and loss of fertility and partly it could be vaccinations and if Im not sure Im going to avoid it.

http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html

for years people laughed at people talking about chemtrails and that the govt was spraying us well it comes out they were

the uk http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Artic ... 07,00.html

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 8441775712

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 2509610222

also britain and america asked the head of the apartied bioweapons labs during apartied to come up with something that would cause infertility that could be put in vaccines .


you can do your own research into what our govt are up to, and remember they have come out to be liars to get us involved in wars, and they admit they have secret prisons where they rape children as a form of interrogation, if you think govt is your friend your daft .

Absolutely. It's cognitive dissonance: any information that doesn't fit people's world view is just filtered out or dismissed. Those who present this information are shot down by straw man arguments ("You're just like those people who..." etc.; "The Daily Mail uses inflammatory language against immigrants, so nothing it says is true"... just lazy, complacent thinking).

Having got used to being able to determine their own lives, people in the West have become arrogant and complacent: "My leaders are too stupid/incompetent to do me any harm."

[Kieran]

No, the implication is that the Daily Mail prints sensationalist trash that any thinking person doesn't take seriously.

That accounts for most of the Mail's output. They do occasionally print quite good articles eg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... thods.html. Any problems with that article? A lot of the comments after that are quite bonkers though. As is to be expected.

Thanks for pointing out the low odds of getting GBS. Makes me feel a lot better about that vaccine

EDIT: Er, on the other hand...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 799297.ece

"One in three nurses say they will not be immunised against swine flu, despite being offered the vaccine as a priority to protect patients.

Concerns about the vaccine’s safety and a perception that the infection is mild are among reasons that NHS staff gave for refusing to have the jab, a survey of nearly 1,500 staff found."