Swine flu vaccinations to be compulsory?

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 02 Aug 2009, 00:50

no way will I take their vaccine they can make it illegal if they do I will still not take it .
Ive met people who took the anti anthrax shots prior to gulf war one they now have gulf war syndrome , Ive met a man dying of depleted uranium .

I don't trust the government , I think they could well have a depopulation weapon that they plan to use .

we live in a country allied to a country that as recently been buggering children in front of their parents as a form of interrogation, where their top legal advice was that the president could have a child's testicles crushed in front of its parents , that lied to get us to start a war and kill hundreds of thousands of people that covered a country with du .

what makes you think that people at a high level who know and have known about peak oil for years, might not think it better to kill off a large number of people to make things more manageable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQw1XMEL ... annel_page
about section 3 I think of this series a south African head of their bio warfare dept ,says they were asked to come up with a thing that would make people infertile this was by another government he doesn't say which

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFmkwmc1xKY
could happen to you what have you learned from history

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 02 Aug 2009, 16:28

I don't trust the government , I think they could well have a depopulation weapon that they plan to use .

So that's why we have effectively open borders?

Our new arrivals have 3.8 kids each per family ... much more than those already here.

So simply closing the borders would cause a population decrease long term - no need for bugs in our BigMacs or black helicopters spraying depleted uranium.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 02 Aug 2009, 19:04

Vortex wrote:So simply closing the borders would cause a population decrease long term

How does that work? Or are you talking about just our little parish rather than the planet?

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 02 Aug 2009, 19:30

I think what hes saying is because white Europeans and Japanese have a negative population growth just by us closing borders our populations would shrink which they may well .

but they may well be looking at a bigger picture

if it was a depopulation weapon they may wish to release it to kill a large bunch of people and then bring in tighter immigration who knows

I'm not sure they are planning on using a depopulation weapon its quite possible and because I think thats a real possibility, I'm not going to get vaccinated .

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 02 Aug 2009, 20:45

jonny2mad wrote:our populations

That'll be the population this side of the White Cliffs of Dover then. The rest of the planet's people being somebody else's population and we don't need to be concerned about them?

When will folk get out of this Medieval mindset? Swine flu doesn't recognize borders and neither should we.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 02 Aug 2009, 20:58

Vortex wrote:
I don't trust the government , I think they could well have a depopulation weapon that they plan to use .
So that's why we have effectively open borders?

Our new arrivals have 3.8 kids each per family ... much more than those already here.

So simply closing the borders would cause a population decrease long term - no need for bugs in our BigMacs or black helicopters spraying depleted uranium.

Firstly, I expect within the next few years to see all countries, inlcuding ours, close their borders. Governments aren't yet doing it for fear of getting people suspicious, but before long they are going to have no choice.

And as for waiting for natural population decline: it would take decades for our population to decline to sustainable levels of its own accord. Surely even you, Vortex, understand that we don't have decades in which to deal with overpopulation. There is no longer a "long term": Peak Oil is upon us.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 02 Aug 2009, 21:06

biffvernon wrote:
jonny2mad wrote:our populations
That'll be the population this side of the White Cliffs of Dover then. The rest of the planet's people being somebody else's population and we don't need to be concerned about them?

Be as concerned as you like for the 4 billion people who need to die, it's going to happen, one way or another. There are going to be no rewards for idealism. Look out for yourself, your family and your friends, because you ain't going to save the world.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 02 Aug 2009, 21:12

When will folk get out of this Medieval mindset? Swine flu doesn't recognize borders and neither should we

To have no borders you would need world government Id like to see smaller government,

and Ludwig brings up a good point about numbers it could be someone maybe above government has been doing some calculation on what would be a sustainable population , I'm not saying they have but if there is someone or group of someones seriously powerful they may consider thats the best way to hang on to their power .

and they could justify it to themselves if they needed to justify it to themselves that this surplus population is going to die anyway.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 02 Aug 2009, 21:17

jonny2mad wrote:I think what hes saying is because white Europeans and Japanese have a negative population growth just by us closing borders our populations would shrink which they may well .

but they may well be looking at a bigger picture

if it was a depopulation weapon they may wish to release it to kill a large bunch of people and then bring in tighter immigration who knows

I'm not sure they are planning on using a depopulation weapon its quite possible and because I think thats a real possibility, I'm not going to get vaccinated .

My view exactly. I don't know what's going on, but I am sure there is more going on than we are being told. (After all, we're not being TOLD about Peak Oil, but everyone here (with one exception) knows it's happening.)

As I've said, one possibility is that the swine flu vaccine won't be deadly, but will be a trial run to see how the population responds to compulsory vaccination (much as I strongly suspect Guantanamo Bay was a trial run for dealing with people who've been arrested without trial).

Only time will tell, but unless I learn something to allay my suspicions, I will be waiting for someone to handcuff me before I get the swine flu vaccine. I don't suppose any of us will be able to avoid it, but I don't see why we shouldn't give the Government a hard time over it.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 02 Aug 2009, 21:30

jonny2mad wrote: and they could justify it to themselves if they needed to justify it to themselves that this surplus population is going to die anyway.

Exactly. I don't see anything EVIL about killing off billions of people, if they're going to die anyway. Arguably it's more humane than letting them starve, and it stands a greater chance of leaving civilisation at least partially intact.

Of course, if one were a true Christian, one would volunteer to be one of the "marked" billions, but I'm not sure if I were a politician and "in on it", I'd be that noble. And UAIMM, very few of us here are Christians, and believe self-sacrifice is rewarded.

As a peace-loving person, I wish I could believe that love and charity will save us all, but they won't. We are just animals, death comes to us all, and after we've died we might well have never existed. In the greater scheme, it's no great tragedy, although it will surely feel like it when it happens, and I sure as hell wish it wouldn't happen.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 02 Aug 2009, 21:46

There is no longer a "long term": Peak Oil is upon us.

Oh come on, PO isn't going to kill us in our beds!

Sure, our economies may take a big, big hit ... but going back to say a 1950s standard of living over a decade or so isn't fatal ... just rather tedious.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 02 Aug 2009, 21:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQw1XMEL ... annel_page

in about the third of these you have the former head of apartied south Africa bio-weapons pro gramme says they were asked to come up with a way to make women infertile one of the delivery systems would be covertly through vaccinations , they handed over their information to the brits and americans and for race specific bio-weapons .

you have crashing fertility levels in the west

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4597358451

is it a accident that global warming is being pushed and not the fact that we are likely to be all infertile because of the types of plastics we have (they could use plastics that dont make you infertile or make males abort )

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 02 Aug 2009, 22:02

vortex the people in charge may think its going to kill us in our beds or at least could mean they lose power .

Im a doomer I think that its very possible that we could have a fast hard crash leading to a possible nuclear war over resources .

I think the whole transition town lets grow some cabbage crowd are less likely to be right than jay hansen, I think we are going to lose billions in war starvation and die-off

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 02 Aug 2009, 22:09

I'm expecting a shabby, dirty, strike ridden, poor society to develop.

This will be in either an authoritarian or a crime ridden context.

The drop in oil flow rates will be softened to a degree, in the US at least, by the newly found unconventional gas.

The UK is more at risk: fragile gas distribution systems plus the lack of money to pay for imports will make life interesting.

Cantonisation/Balkanisation within the UK can't be ruled out.

See the film Children Of Men for a preview.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 02 Aug 2009, 22:12

One of the things you learn when you try serious veg growing is how easy it is to produce an enormous surplus of food. And the better I get at veg growing the more certain I am that feeding the world's growing population is not half the problem some folk make it out to be.

But people who don't have veg plots just don't understand that.