any thoughts as to post peak music players?

RGR · Post by **RGR** » 24 Jul 2009, 19:23

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RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 24 Jul 2009, 23:33

Funny you should ask (about the music) because now that I've got a bit of time I'm helping Renewable Jr with his guitar practice (grade II last week!). As a result I picked up my own humble machine to have a go at working out my favourite tracks (Queen and Rush's softer stuff) then found RJ downloading the notes for "Green Onions" and giving it a go!

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » 25 Jul 2009, 15:11

If a guitar doesn't take your fancy the bodhran is really cheap and has a wonderful sound. 18 inches is a good size. Need tolerant neighbours though.

RGR · Post by **RGR** » 25 Jul 2009, 15:51

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Blue Peter · Post by **Blue Peter** » 27 Jul 2009, 11:25

RGR wrote:Full scale development of unconventionals.

The primary flaw in the peak oil argument has always been the desire to count only the resources they like versus dealing with the resource pyramid and the actual totality of resources available.

The US has already prototyped the full scale reversal of Hubberts famous profile using just such resources, my amusement on this topic comes from the length to which peakers go to avoid talking about things like the resource pyramid, how it works, how basic economic theory dictates the rate of change within the pyramid, etc etc.

But the costs of production of unconventionals, according to CERA, are $80+, and the oil price is $70. Plus to reverse the US peak, you'd have to produce 5 million BPD, and that would surely send the oil price tumbling?

(And that leaves out other problems with unconventionals, such as water),

Peter.

Post by **adam2** » 27 Jul 2009, 12:53

Presuming that the O/P requires a device for playing pre recorded music, and not an instrument for making live music, then I would suggest any player sold in the high street, nothing special.
Get a spare in case of loss or breakage, and ensure that it can work of an external power supply, such as D cells in an external holder, or a 12 volt vehicle battery.

A simple radio that uses D cells is worth it also, both for information and receiving music broadcasts. (which are unlikely to cease except in case of TEOTWAWKI)

RGR · Post by **RGR** » 27 Jul 2009, 13:20

[quote="Blue Peter"]

Blue Peter · Post by **Blue Peter** » 27 Jul 2009, 14:56

RGR wrote:I am not familiar with CERA's definition of what unconventionals are, so I don't know to which particular formations this information might apply. However, there are no unconventionals in the world that I am aware of that MIGHT cost $80/bbl to develop other than the oil shales.

I was referring to this graph:

Implicit in any debate on production rates are both development cost, production and infrastructure cost, profit and political expediancy.

There are many problems with the full scale development of any natural resource, be it conventional or otherwise. That did not stop us before, and if push comes to shove, will not stop us again.

I think in the case of oil, and its availability in other places around the world, that developing it elsewhere will nearly always make more economic sense than developing US oil shales. Plus, it is easy to replace, and not necessary in a large number of the applications it is currently wasted in.

I don't doubt that when push comes to shove, some of this things will be developed.

But the original discussion was about whether the US has peaked. For it not to have peaked, you would have to develop 5M+ bpd of the unconventional, but you can't do that because, as you say, there are cheaper sources around. Isn't that what peaking is about?

Peter.

RGR · Post by **RGR** » 28 Jul 2009, 01:02

[quote="Blue Peter"]

Blue Peter · Post by **Blue Peter** » 28 Jul 2009, 09:14

RGR wrote: .is it possible that this is actually a future looking graph for additional incremental production rather than just current rates? Any verbiage to go with it for more context?

Yes, almost certainly this is what it is,

Peter.

RGR · Post by **RGR** » 28 Jul 2009, 19:29

[quote="Blue Peter"]

Erik · Post by **Erik** » 28 Jul 2009, 23:01

RenewableCandy wrote:As a result I picked up my own humble machine to have a go at working out my favourite tracks (Queen and Rush's softer stuff)

Nice one!

I can just hear you crooning it out:

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

... but then it goes all heavy after a couple of verses and your machine might need to be "plugged in" (totally uncool post-peak music-making practice)

Blue Peter · Post by **Blue Peter** » 29 Jul 2009, 09:22

RGR wrote:I'd be more than happy to discuss it then, but we shouldn't clutter up someone elses thread. Let me know if you want to continue the conversation elsewhere.

Since it seems to be a pretty crucial issue, and you have some real knowledge in the area, I think that it would be very informative if you could discuss it more. Start a new thread,

Peter.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 29 Jul 2009, 16:26

Hmm, music-machines. Now it so happens we have an olde Goldring deck and Wharfedale amp and speakers which my Dad got in 1971 and is all still in working order. It's only had to have a couple of minor repairs in all that time, in spite of being deployed in 20 (count them!) student dens over the years. I have therefore come to the conclusion that it it bombproof and am holding on to it in case the worst happens.

Erik wrote:I can just hear you crooning it out:
Quote:
There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

... but then it goes all heavy after a couple of verses and your machine might need to be "plugged in"

Funny you should say that: our neighbours came round for a BBQ during the heatwave last month and he brought out his accoustic and said "Don't know if you know this one?"...and promptly proceeded to play it accoustic all the way through! It made my year! And guess who knows all the lyrics of practically everything in Rock between 1976 and 1996...