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IanG wrote:bbc news just had an item on an airline for pets :shock:

either that or I've accidently ingested some acid and I'm with Alice at the tea party.......
I heard that on the World Service last night http://petairways.com. Dogs deserve to travel in style, but it does make you wonder if we're on the right planet :roll:
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This might be a bit of spin though:
The average new car will emit 40% less carbon than now.
It could be done today: it depends upon what you mean by 'average'.
Introducing a target to limit UK aviation emissions to below 2005 levels by 2050, despite forecast growth in passenger demand
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The report wrote:• Introducing clean energy cash-back
schemes so that people and businesses will be
paid if they use low carbon sources to generate
heat
or electricity.
My emphasis. Does that mean payback for generating hot water via Solar DHW panels?[/quote]
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Where can I find a goverment definition of a 'low carbon business'?
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Since when did Nuclear become 'renewable'? I wasn't aware that we could grow nuclear fuel! Grrrr. :twisted:
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And
In the longer term the UK needs to reduce its dependence on oil for transport but it will still be an important fuel for some time to come and the Government needs to help ensure that the UK has safe and secure supplies of the oil products it requires. The Government’s approach is to maximise the economic exploitation of the UK’s own oil reserves, to work with other countries to ensure a well-functioning global oil market, and to improve UK fuel infrastructure.
Had to drill down to find the pun there.
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:-)
to work with other countries to ensure a well-functioning global oil market, and to improve UK fuel infrastructure
And right there is the reason for the US/UK still being in Afganistan. To pave the way for TAPI and secure the future supply of hydrocarbons... I take it what we are doing in Afganistan is 'working with other countries'.
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SunnyJim wrote::-)
[I take it what we are doing in Afganistan is 'working with other countries'.
Wrong preposition; it should be 'over'


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SunnyJim wrote:
The report wrote:• Introducing clean energy cash-back
schemes so that people and businesses will be
paid if they use low carbon sources to generate
heat
or electricity.
My emphasis. Does that mean payback for generating hot water via Solar DHW panels?
[/quote]

Yes, I understand there will be the equivalent of ROCs for solar hot water available very soon.
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SunnyJim wrote:Where can I find a goverment definition of a 'low carbon business'?
yes, what's the definition of a low carbon anything?

the poor of this planet are definately low carbon....
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goslow wrote:
SunnyJim wrote:Where can I find a goverment definition of a 'low carbon business'?
yes, what's the definition of a low carbon anything?

the poor of this planet are definately low carbon....
Besides, shouldn't it be 'low CO2' or even 'low CO2 and equivalent'?

Paul Simon did a song about carbon footprints. :wink:
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SunnyJim wrote:Don't be fooled. This paper isn't about tackling climate change. It is the goverments peak oil mitigation strategy.
Hmmm.... I've just read through the farming section, and it's entirely about climate change and the usual "lower your emissions, you naughty lot" rhetoric. It proposes to do nothing until 2012, when the government will review whether enough has been done voluntarily by the agricultural sector and then decide whether to intervene.

Of course, many people on here (myself excluded) believe there will be widespread hunger across the UK by 2012, so that's a bit of a gap isn't it..? :?

There is nothing in there that I could see to encourage the breakup of monoagricultural practices, changes to planning laws, loosening of DEFRA regulations for small (domestic) flocks, or additional help for organic farmers.

I agree with your previous comment: Yes, it's great that there is now a plan, but the plan is piss poor.
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contadino wrote:There is nothing in there that I could see to encourage the breakup of monoagricultural practices, changes to planning laws, loosening of DEFRA regulations for small (domestic) flocks, or additional help for organic farmers.
All of which would be Good Things, of course, but it might be tricky to demonstrate that such changes would result in a significant and direct drop in CO2 emissions, which may be why it's not included.
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biffvernon wrote:
contadino wrote:There is nothing in there that I could see to encourage the breakup of monoagricultural practices, changes to planning laws, loosening of DEFRA regulations for small (domestic) flocks, or additional help for organic farmers.
All of which would be Good Things, of course, but it might be tricky to demonstrate that such changes would result in a significant and direct drop in CO2 emissions, which may be why it's not included.
In the words of the pillocks that wrote this report, they're all 'enablers.' The farming section (which is the only one that matters in my mind) has no considerations for PO whatsoever. It's all about CC.
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goslow wrote:Yes, I understand there will be the equivalent of ROCs for solar hot water available very soon.
Is this HotROCs?
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