Site assessing countries' PO-resilience

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 11 Jun 2009, 12:31

I wonder if anyone else has seen this site:

http://www.peakoilinitiative.org/country/score

I have no idea how the country scores were calculated, and it all seems a bit vague and impressionistic [1], but it is interesting. The UK comes out pretty low among European countries.

[1] E.g. "Peru has only a low score, but still, peak oil should not bring to much suffering to the country. " - very useful.

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 11 Jun 2009, 21:20

So this site backs up my anecdotal observation on Norway.

Hopefully we get delegations of politicians going out to Oslo to take a look at how they do their transport system.

That said, I think France should have a better score. They apparently have a massive public works program underway to build electric trams in every city of 50,000 or more people.

Given that most of their electricity is nuke, if they pull that off they will probably be the #1 most resilient country.

That said, Montreal and Toronto are in pretty good shape too. As are several other cities with large underground/subway systems.

mcewena1 · Post by **mcewena1** » 11 Jun 2009, 22:25

A nice site but I don't think they take into account public disorder. I mean public transport systems in the cities. I would have thought ability to feed the people would be more important.

I may be repeating what others have already posted but this site

http://www.mnforsustain.org/erickson_d_ ... levels.htm

gives you the sustainable population per country. It basically tells you haw many need to die before oil runs out country by country.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 11 Jun 2009, 23:06

mcewena1 wrote:A nice site but I don't think they take into account public disorder. I mean public transport systems in the cities. I would have thought ability to feed the people would be more important.

Yes, I am a bit sceptical too. I mean America may well have lots of arable land, but it also has an abysmal public transport infrastructure, and the potential for social chaos, particularly given the relatively easy availability of firearms (although maybe when TSHTF the legality of firearms will be irrelevant everywhere).

The comment that "some economic imbalances persist" in America must be the understatement of the century!

I agree with what you say about public disorder. Different populations have different expectations, different attitudes towards social co-operation, and therefore different "breaking points".

One general pattern is clear though: a high population density is bad news.

Kazakhstan sounds like a good place to move to, although presumably it will be a province of Russia before very long.

I may be repeating what others have already posted but this site

http://www.mnforsustain.org/erickson_d_ ... levels.htm

gives you the sustainable population per country. It basically tells you haw many need to die before oil runs out country by country.

If I understood right, that's at current standards of living. It is chilling reading nonetheless.

Erik · Post by **Erik** » 11 Jun 2009, 23:21

Ludwig wrote:I wonder if anyone else has seen this site:

http://www.peakoilinitiative.org/country/score

I have no idea how the country scores were calculated, and it all seems a bit vague and impressionistic [1], but it is interesting. The UK comes out pretty low among European countries.

[1] E.g. "Peru has only a low score, but still, peak oil should not bring to much suffering to the country. " - very useful.

Odd sort of site that. They look at your personal resilience too - There's a Peak Oil preparedness questionnaire which they've knocked up in 5 minutes it seems. I couldn't resist and got a score of 34 with the following DailyMirroresque advice:

"Peak Oil will definitely change your lifestyle to the worse. Do something about it! It is never too late! You can probably achieve at least 7 points within 5 years!"

Eh? Yeah, right, I'm going to scupper any real preparations I might have had planned, and concentrate on getting 7 more "points" at peakoilinitiative.org over the next 5 years!

mcewena1 · Post by **mcewena1** » 11 Jun 2009, 23:35

I couldn't resist and got a score of 34 with the following DailyMirroresque advice:

Beat you I got 38 with no advice

No I can't say I was particularly enthused by the questionnaire

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 12 Jun 2009, 00:19

mcewena1 wrote: http://www.mnforsustain.org/erickson_d_ ... levels.htm

gives you the sustainable population per country. It basically tells you haw many need to die before oil runs out country by country.

There's something wrong with those numbers.
It has the US at 170 million and China at 800 million sustainable and India at 600 million sustainable.

By any kind of logic, if China can support 800 million people then so can the US.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 12 Jun 2009, 13:43

fifthcolumn wrote:
mcewena1 wrote: http://www.mnforsustain.org/erickson_d_ ... levels.htm

gives you the sustainable population per country. It basically tells you haw many need to die before oil runs out country by country.
There's something wrong with those numbers.
It has the US at 170 million and China at 800 million sustainable and India at 600 million sustainable.

By any kind of logic, if China can support 800 million people then so can the US.

Remember, this at the current standard of living, so it may not be so way off.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 15 Jun 2009, 14:43

Sharon Astyk has a related and pretty reasonable take on 'resilience' here.

We must take things away from the formal economy to build new commons - new water resources, new food resources, new community resources.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 15 Jun 2009, 18:00

mcewena1 wrote:
I couldn't resist and got a score of 34 with the following DailyMirroresque advice:
Beat you I got 38 with no advice

No I can't say I was particularly enthused by the questionnaire

I got 46 but some of the questions are not what I would have written.

Cabrone · Post by **Cabrone** » 15 Jun 2009, 20:07

Norway's score might go down when half the UK moves there.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 15 Jun 2009, 22:50

I only got 30 in that test, but mainly because I got bog-all for finance because I've got no job!

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 16 Jun 2009, 01:10

I got 42 and the advice

You are well prepared for the event of Peak Oil, however, you could and should do more. Connect yourself to other people that are also thinking of Peak Oil.

I started the local TT Initiative. What more can I do?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 16 Jun 2009, 09:49

I got thirty-nine, which is less than I thought I would - but I expected more questions about physical preparations.

10/10 on fitness, low score on finance (the least of my worries), high on living condition and network.

A frivolous questionnaire but a bit of fun. Anything that makes you question yourself, I suppose.

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 16 Jun 2009, 17:44

I only got 22, but then again I moved specifically to a place that would have a lot of oil post global peak so I seriously doubt I'll have to confront the same kind of downsizing the UK will be facing and thus I think the survey is a bit suspect.

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