Ciao Unbuntu (is your nickname derived from the debian based linux distro ?)
I do like these kind of fantasy (aliens, etc) but in our case, that's maybe hoping too much in the deus ex machina of the greek tragedies ...
If you like, you can see it like that : we might live in a galaxy that was quarantined or isolated or left alone by the intergalactical confederation of properous alien civilizations (alien to us of course) because they didn't want to be contaminated by life forms that are carbon-based, they know too well that these life forms are doomed to remain dependent on their carbon-based environment and they will never be able to grasp the hyperdimension of the multi-mind, the one that can make consciousness travel through wormholes without the need of matter support (never mind the terms, I am trying to sound sci-fi)
What is the Point?
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That is correct but that does not mean that we will end up in a sea of chaos as civilisation collapse. The down slide after peak could even be a good time as globalisation fails and companies find it cheaper to produce goods more local to consumption which increases jobs and prosperity for a short while. As it does so people natural form more self-sufficient communities and we make a peaceful transition over to a sustainable society with a good standard of living and hi level of technology.Unbuntu wrote:The future? I think that everyone knows that without availible energy (in this case oil) we are pretty much screwed. A industrial civilisation that requires constant growth can be supplied forever with a finite rescource.isenhand wrote: Is it I would not be so confident about predicting the future.
It?s a possibility, whether or not it is likely is another question and to some degree depends on us. What sort of future do you want? I can envision one that is formed from a network of communities, each self-sufficient to some degree with community based enterprises and forming the building blocks of a hi-tech society (even without oil). A society that is in balance with nature and the environment and provides a good standard of living for its population. What future we have we make ourselves. We can make it through action or in action.
And that is another possibility but by no means a certainty. If you don?t want that sort of future post peak what are you going to do now about it? What can you do to make sure we have a future worth living for? In some ways that is what this site is about.Unbuntu wrote: When I wrote this I was somewhat depressed that we (could) be going back to the burning times for example. Xenophobia, will it be a part of post-peak life? Racism and other ignorant ideas are already a part of our society now. We have grown as a civilisation even without oil, I hope that growth isn't stopped or reversed when the collapse comes.
The only thing that can save us now is ourselves. No use running to fantasies to save us. And if we can?t, we don?t disserve to survive and the planet is better off with out us.Unbuntu wrote: The only thing that can save us now it seems is the almighty knowledge of the extraterrestrial (sp?) aliens. Now that seems like a joke, but If they can travel those distances on one tank of (insert alien fuel) they must be able to help us! That sounds crazy but I firmly believe in aliens and other paranormal events. All those stars and galaxies, there is someone out there to save us. (If they want to) Maybe the aliens believe in whole planetary euthanasia.
Patrick
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[quote="thorgal"]Ciao Unbuntu (is your nickname derived from the debian based linux distro ?)[quote]
Actually I got it from the American version of "Whose Line is it Anyway" when Wayne Brady said "I am Unbuntu" or something like that. I do like Mepis Linux and Damn Small Linux, haven't tried Ubuntu though. I have winmodems on both my computers so linux doesn't get me anywhere on the net (dial-up )
Actually I got it from the American version of "Whose Line is it Anyway" when Wayne Brady said "I am Unbuntu" or something like that. I do like Mepis Linux and Damn Small Linux, haven't tried Ubuntu though. I have winmodems on both my computers so linux doesn't get me anywhere on the net (dial-up )
Failing to plan is planning to fail
I used to have a winmodem on my old laptop (Lucent tech. I believe), I could use it under the now very outdated redhat 7.3 with a kernel driver developed by .... sorry I cannot remember, shit! it's been so long. Nowadays, I use ADSL + router (wireles at times, but I hardly need wireless at home). That made my "virtual" life much much easier and pleasant
But there's something coming up in Copenhagen, a company that delivers 24Mbps / 1Mbps bandwidth for downtown people, and cheaper than the outrageously expensive 2Mbps / 512 kbps connections we can get now. I will be using the new b.w. by February
I also heard of this technology that allows internet activity via the power lines, which would help remote places greatly since there's more chance to have power lines than phone lines. But I don't know what the status is (I heard about it in France about a year ago).
But there's something coming up in Copenhagen, a company that delivers 24Mbps / 1Mbps bandwidth for downtown people, and cheaper than the outrageously expensive 2Mbps / 512 kbps connections we can get now. I will be using the new b.w. by February
I also heard of this technology that allows internet activity via the power lines, which would help remote places greatly since there's more chance to have power lines than phone lines. But I don't know what the status is (I heard about it in France about a year ago).
It's a gimp. Simply from an EMC point of view it will never work.thorgal wrote:I also heard of this technology that allows internet activity via the power lines, which would help remote places greatly since there's more chance to have power lines than phone lines. But I don't know what the status is (I heard about it in France about a year ago).
Olduvai Theory (Updated) (Reviewed)
Easter Island - a warning from history : http://dieoff.org/page145.htm
Easter Island - a warning from history : http://dieoff.org/page145.htm
Wrong.Bandidoz wrote:It's a gimp. Simply from an EMC point of view it will never work.
It does work and has been around for at least seven years in various guises.
There are technical and organisational challenges, but it is a viable technology that has been used commercially in one or two places.
Scottish power were toying with it a few years ago.
With ADSL reach now out beyond 5km a very high % of UK homes are theoretically in range of DSL. Commercially powerline internet has missed its window as for remote sites beyond DSL it is unlikely to be cheaper than 2-way satellite broadband, or even dedicated wireless broadband links (also in use commercially in various far flung places)
RogerCO
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Yes I am well aware of the development of "Power Line Telecoms" being bulldozed a few years ago amongst scorn by many IEE and Radio Society members. Please note the definition of it "working" is not only to convey a signal from A to B, but to do so without causing undue interference.
I hope no-one's operating radio-control equipment near to any such schemes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/persona ... coms-mains
Personally I prefer the use of microwave equipment for "last-mile broadband" such as that advocated here:
http://www.wlan.org.uk/lets_set_up_a_community_wlan.doc
I hope no-one's operating radio-control equipment near to any such schemes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication
Although this sounds interesting - use of powerline as a "waveguide".....*Potential for Interference*
Some groups oppose the proliferation of this technology, mostly due to its potential to interfere with radio transmissions. As power lines are typically untwisted and unshielded, they are essentially large antennas, and will broadcast large amounts of radio energy (see the American Radio Relay League's article). Because of their lack of shielding, the BPL systems are also at risk of being interfered with by outside radio signals.
Recently, power and telecommunications companies have started tests of the BPL technology, over the protests of the radio groups. After claims of interference by these groups, many of the trials were ended early and proclaimed successes, though the ARRL and other groups claimed otherwise. Some of the providers conducting those trials have now begun commercial roll-outs in limited neighborhoods in selected cities, with some level of user acceptance. There have been many documented cases of interference reported to the FCC by Amateur Radio users. A video clearly showing the interference at a site at Briarcliff Manor, NY is available on the ARRL website. Because of these continued problems, Amateur Radio operators and others filed a petition for reconsideration with the FCC in February 2005. Austria, Australia, New Zealand and other locations have also experienced BPL's spectrum pollution and raised concerns within their governing bodies. In the UK, the BBC has published the results of a number of tests to detect interference from BPL installations. They have also made a video (Real Media format), showing broadcast of data and interference from in-home BPL devices.
New FCC rules require BPL systems to be capable of remotely notching out frequencies on which interference occurs, and of shutting down remotely if necessary to resolve the interference. BPL systems operating within FCC Part 15 emissions limits may still interfere with wireless radio communications and are required to resolve interference problems. A few early trials have been shut down, though whether it was in response to complaints is debatable.
Recently, Motorola has announced a new Low Voltage Access BPL system that has a reduced potential for interference over the Amperion Inc. and Current Technologies LLC systems. The American Radio Relay League was invited by Motorola to participate with these tests, and even installed the Motorola system at their headquarters. Preliminary results were very positive with regard to interference.
*FCC*
On October 14, 2004, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission adopted rules to facilitate the deployment of "Access BPL" -- i.e., use of BPL to deliver broadband service to homes and businesses. The technical rules are more liberal than those advanced by ARRL and other spectrum users, but include provisions that require BPL providers to investigate and correct any interference they cause. These rules may be subject to future litigation.
Another article:Much higher speed transmissions using microwave frequencies transmitted via a newly discovered surface wave propagation mechanism have been demonstrated using only a single power line conductor. These systems have shown the potential for symmetric and full duplex communication in excess of 1 Gbit/s in each direction. Multiple WiFi channels as well as simultaneous analog television in the 2.4 and 5.3 GHz unlicensed bands have been demonstrated operating over medium voltage lines.
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/persona ... coms-mains
Personally I prefer the use of microwave equipment for "last-mile broadband" such as that advocated here:
http://www.wlan.org.uk/lets_set_up_a_community_wlan.doc
Olduvai Theory (Updated) (Reviewed)
Easter Island - a warning from history : http://dieoff.org/page145.htm
Easter Island - a warning from history : http://dieoff.org/page145.htm
Could one of you electrical engineer types clarify something for me: what's the deal with telephone protection on HV feeders? I'm assuming that these phone lines are dedicated lines between substations, but with the advent of DSL technology, do they actually still have to be dedicated in order to achieve the same response times? Also, does all HV have telephone protection or am I just thinking of EHV?
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