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mididoctors wrote:I have been in conversation with

SYED KAMALL Conservative MEP for London


http://www.syedkamall.com/

who has expressed support for feed in tariffs (obligatory quotas) for renewable energy..

to this date he has seen no details concerning the costings

has anybody info they wish to pass on to him concerning feed in tariffs.. even if its just who to ask?

you can pass it on via me or directly via write to them or his website

Boris
London

To be clear, feed in tariffs are different from obligatory quotas. We already have obligatory quotas for renewable energy - all electricity suppliers are required to source a certain percentage of their supply from renewable sources - and this is currently costing UK consumers about a billion pounds a year.

Feed in tariffs is where the Government sets a price which electricity suppliers are obliged to pay for renewable electricity, so the cost of that would depend on the Government's decision as to price level(s). Presumably the amount of renewables that each supplier would be obliged to buy at that price would also have to be set by Government, as it would hardly be fair to make each supplier take everything they were offered - what if all renewable generators chose to sell to the same supplier?

The trick is to strike a balance between ensuring that the price is high enough to encourage investment in renewable energy generation, but not setting it so high as to waste money by spending more than you have to, something which Governments aren't necessarily particularly good at. I believe in Germany they have some five hundred different rates for different kinds of renewables.

If what he is interested in is actually microgeneration, as is often the case with people who talk about feed in tariffs, he might like to have a look at the marginal abatement curve on p 286 of the Energy White Paper, which shows that microgen electricity is a remarkably expensive way of saving carbon and microgen heat only a bit further up the list.

cheers

Boris
London

Can I suggest looking at the excellent video on feed in tariffs on the World Future Council web site. www.worldfuturecouncil.org

Compares German experience with solar and out pathetic results.

Thanks and welcome to PowerSwitch, Orknak.

The World Future Council has a big and rambling website. I haven't actually found that video but I got here:

http://www.worldfuturecouncil.org/arguing_fits.html

am I getting warm?

Orknak wrote:Can I suggest looking at the excellent video on feed in tariffs on the World Future Council web site. www.worldfuturecouncil.org

Compares German experience with solar and our pathetic results.

Orknak, you will find many who share your views on this forum but I am not one of them - I am a bit of a pigeon amongst cats round here.

Our results on deployment of solar panels are pathetic only if your only success criterion is number of solar panels deployed. Why though is it a good and admirable thing that we ought to try to emulate, to deploy huge numbers of solar panels at huge expense in a non-sunny climate? The German solar panel achievement is actually tragically misguided - the same amount of solar panels would have delivered far more electricity/heat if they had been deployed in Spain or Africa, and the same amount of money would have bought a lot more carbon saving if it had been spent on practically any other carbon-saving technology.

There's no moral superiority in delivering the same overall result in a more expensive and difficult way. How is it better to walk all the way to Timbuktu with a bottle of Volvic in each hand, than to give a bit of money to Oxfam to contribute towards installing a well there?

They don't need wells in Timbuktu, it's right next to the Niger. In any case it's going to be completely covered in sand shortly - the onward march of the Sahara (That's me being a clever dick, I have been to Timbuktu).
But I understand what you are saying, and happen to agree with your views on solar.