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Peak Everything

Posted: 15 Jan 2008, 21:42
by Smithy
I suspect many here might have seen this before, but I've just found it, it's in a different (even hopeful) vein to alot of what's being posted, and so here are 3 relatively short excerpts:
http://www.richardheinberg.com/museletter/185
MuseLetter #185 / September 2007 by Richard Heinberg
This issue is an edited version of the Introduction to Peak Everything: Waking Up to the Century of Declines.
This is no mere palliative. Addressing the economic, social, and political problems ensuing from the various looming peaks will require enormous collective effort. If it to be successful, that effort must be coordinated, presumably by government, and enlisting people in that effort will require educating and motivating them in numbers and at a speed that has not been seen since World War II. Part of that motivation must come from a positive vision of a future worth striving toward. People will need to feel that there will be an eventual reward for what will amount to many years of hard sacrifice. The reality is that we are approaching a time of economic contraction and that consumptive appetites that have been stoked for decades by ubiquitous advertising messages promising "more, faster, and bigger" will now have to be reined in. People will not willingly accept the new message of "less, slower, and smaller," unless they have new goals toward which to aspire. They must feel that their efforts will lead to a better world, and tangible improvements in life for themselves and their families. The massive public education campaigns that will be required must be credible, and will therefore be vastly more successful if they give people a sense of investment and involvement in formulating those goals. There is a much-abused word that describes the necessary process - democracy.
The post-peak decline in availability of oil, natural gas, and coal - if our dependence on these fuels continues unabated - could trigger economic collapse, famine, and a general war over remaining resources. While it is certainly possible to imagine survivable transition strategies away from fossil fuels involving proactive efforts to develop alternative energy sources on a massive scale and to create policies mandating energy conservation, also on a massive scale, the world is currently as reliant on hydrocarbons as it is on water, sunlight, and soil. Without oil for transportation and agriculture; without gas for heating, chemicals, and fertilizers; and without coal for power generation, the global economy would sputter to a halt. While no one envisions these fuels disappearing instantly, we can avert the worst-case scenario of global economic meltdown - with all of the human tragedy that implies - only by proactively reducing our reliance on oil, gas, and coal ahead of depletion and scarcity. In other words, all that would be required in order for the worst-case scenario to materialize would be for world leaders to continue with existing policies.
But this can be formulated in another, more encouraging, way: If we do focus all of our collective efforts on the central task of energy transition, we may find ourselves contributing to the solution of a wide range of problems that would be much harder to solve if we confronted each one in isolation. With a coordinated and voluntary reduction in fossil fuel consumption, we could see substantial progress in reducing many forms of environmental pollution. The decentralization of economic activity that we must pursue as transport fuels become more scarce could lead to more local jobs and more fulfilling occupations, and more robust local economies. A controlled contraction in global oil trade could lead to a reduction of international political tensions. A planned conversion of farming to non-fossil fuel methods could mean a decline in environmental devastation caused by agriculture and economic opportunities for millions of new farmers. Meanwhile, all of these efforts together could increase equity, community involvement, intergenerational solidarity, and the other intangible goods listed earlier.

Surely this is a future worth working toward.

Posted: 17 Jan 2008, 23:40
by eatyourveg
Well, there is one peak I will be pleased to see for the good of this and future generations:

The 'Bullshit Peak', the day when TPTB and others that know, or should know better, start calling it a day and actually start to serve their fellow man.

Did Hubbert compile any data on this?

Posted: 17 Jan 2008, 23:42
by Andy Hunt
Doesn't the Hubbert curve only apply to commodities which are actually in demand?

Posted: 04 Feb 2008, 15:02
by RenewableCandy
Andy Hunt wrote:Doesn't the Hubbert curve only apply to commodities which are actually in demand?
Interesting thought.

Here at work they're spending a lot of time designing Recycling Centres, which are to handle HUGE quantities of rubbish. Obviously oil is central to the manufacture of all this stuff we're throwing into our recycling boxes, no? And economic downturns tend to make people think twice about chucking stuff away, PO or no PO. And so I wonder, will we have Peak Rubbish?

Posted: 03 Apr 2008, 12:06
by fifthcolumn
Peak Rubbish?

If the economy goes into the hole possibly.

But on a slightly diverging note: I just started a few weeks ago trying to put absolutely EVERYTHING that can bio-degrade (as per the list I posted up) into the compost.

Turns out we have a MASSIVE amount of waste. It's unbelievable.
So far I have had to buy two more compost bins.
I think I will have to stop and go back to wasting stuff or else find a way to get the creatures to eat the waste faster or else I will maybe have to start to try to grow stuff directly in the degrading compost after a couple of months instead of waiting for a full year.

Posted: 03 Apr 2008, 14:03
by goslow
Let's diverge!

I tried putting cooked leftover food into the compost, got a rat going in for a feast. Had to stop, hoping that putting a metal grill beneath the compost bin will prevent ingress of said beastie. Also experimenting with composting of my old t-shirts (too many holes for charity shop), snotty tissues, loo rolls seem to be decomposing nicely.

Alternative: get a pig to eat leftovers?

Hopefully as my children will get older and less picky, we shall have less leftovers!

Posted: 03 Apr 2008, 14:10
by hardworkinghippy
Yep, get a pig !!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hardworkin ... 529649816/

...and send your bog rolls to me ! :wink:

Image

Posted: 03 Apr 2008, 14:23
by Andy Hunt
hardworkinghippy wrote: ...and send your bog rolls to me ! :wink:
Hehe nice one HWH . . . my little greenhouse looks exactly the same at the minute, tomato seedlings poking out of toilet roll holders!!

:D

Posted: 03 Apr 2008, 17:03
by JohnB
fifthcolumn wrote:I will maybe have to start to try to grow stuff directly in the degrading compost after a couple of months instead of waiting for a full year.
Put some good compost on top of the bin and grow marrows in it.

Posted: 04 Apr 2008, 03:15
by kenneal - lagger
fifthcolumn wrote: I will maybe have to start to try to grow stuff directly in the degrading compost after a couple of months instead of waiting for a full year.
You can always put partially degraded compost into a bean trench, with newspaper as well, or under marrows, as JohnB said, or squashes. You could probably put it under beds in a greenhouse to heat the greenhouse up a bit as well. Sprinkle it well with urine and the aeration will get it going well again.

Posted: 04 Apr 2008, 07:26
by biffvernon
hardworkinghippy wrote: ...and send your bog rolls to me ! :wink:
I've just planted out some broad beans. Half were sown in plastic pots and half in bog rolls. Other conditions were the same. I'm not sure why but the bog roll beans had bigger roots.