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The psychology of Peak Oil

Posted: 03 Aug 2005, 12:58
by fishertrop
I think this is an intersting and important aspect of the whole Peak issue.

There is an awful lot to learn in this area, but I think it's worth the effort.

I thought people might post links to related articles on this thread, or share personal experiences.

I'll kick off with:
http://theoildrum.blogspot.com/2005/07/ ... egypt.html

and

http://www.cyclesman.com/shaefer.htm
and French sociologist, Gustave Le Bon once said, "The masses live by, and are ruled by, subconscious and emotional thought process. The crowd has never thirsted for the truth. It turns aside from evidence that is not to its taste, preferring to glorify and to follow error, if the way of error appears attractive enough, and seduces them. Whoever can supply the crowd with attractive emotional illusions may easily become their master; and whoever attempts to destroy such firmly entrenched illusions of the crowd is almost sure to be rejected."

Re: The psychology of Peak OIl

Posted: 03 Aug 2005, 19:00
by MacG
fishertrop wrote:I think this is an intersting and important aspect of the whole Peak issue.

There is an awful lot to learn in this area, but I think it's worth the effort.

I thought people might post links to related articles on this thread, or share personal experiences.

I'll kick off with:
http://theoildrum.blogspot.com/2005/07/ ... egypt.html

and

http://www.cyclesman.com/shaefer.htm
and French sociologist, Gustave Le Bon once said, "The masses live by, and are ruled by, subconscious and emotional thought process. The crowd has never thirsted for the truth. It turns aside from evidence that is not to its taste, preferring to glorify and to follow error, if the way of error appears attractive enough, and seduces them. Whoever can supply the crowd with attractive emotional illusions may easily become their master; and whoever attempts to destroy such firmly entrenched illusions of the crowd is almost sure to be rejected."
Spot on! Highly relevant and very interesting (and of course flattering since I've been harping about denial for quite some time). I think that it is impossible to build a working strategy for handling times to come if the issue of denial is not considered as the dominant social factor it is.

Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 12:40
by fishertrop
This is pretty good also:

http://theoildrum.blogspot.com/2005/04/ ... rmane.html
By pure rationality, everyone should be a free rider unless they are constrained by some of force, whether coercion or social identity, to do otherwise.

Posted: 05 Aug 2005, 07:01
by nancy
From a different discipline entirely, but has some relevance - funnily enough called Peak Experiences

www.peak.ca/articles/sig_conflict.html

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 15:39
by DamianB
Here's an excerpt from the keynote address by Nick Totton to the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy conference ?Is therapy the future??, October 2004. It was printed in Psychotherapy and Politics International, Volume 3, Number 2, 2005.
ECOPSYCHOLOGY
This leads on nicely to the third strand I want to explore: the relatively new movement that goes by the names of 'ecopsychology', 'ecotherapy', and other similar variations. Ecopsychology asks the question: how come we have allowed the world to get into the sort of mess it's in? How can we tolerate, and even largely ignore, the environmental catastrophe that surrounds us, the loss of species, the pollution and contamination of great swathes of the biosphere, the greenhouse affect and all it means for us and the rest of the natural world? How can we all ? and I seriously do include myself in this - continue to act in ways that we know are damaging to our environment, ourselves, other species, our children and grandchildren - all for the sake of a minor inconvenience or luxury.

Well, immediately the danger comes in here that you will hear this as a broadcast from your own internal critic, and quite rightly and reasonably switch off. This is one of the fundamental difficulties that ecopsychology faces: we don't want to think or talk about these questions. They make us feel bad.

So let me try posing a different question, or the same question in a different way. How can we more deeply feel and express our love for the living world? Our passionate, heart-opening response to the unbelievable, magical beauty of the plants and animals around us?

It seems to me that if we were in living contact with that response in ourselves, then we would necessarily live differently. Something has damaged and deadened our responsiveness to nature, alienated us from it - in fact the simple use of that word, 'nature', to describe something other than ourselves, something we are not part of, is incredibly revealing. We are talking about dualism again - that we are living within an apparent opposition between 'human' and 'natural', between 'civilized' and 'wild', which allows us to think of nature as something we have the need and the right to control and use for our own benefit - rather than to experience other species as beings to love, venerate, respect and learn from ? beings with whom we ultimately share community.

Ecopsychology has come up with a number of models to explain this alienation; but for me, once again, we are looking at the effects of trauma. Dissociation, splitting, deadening, re-enactment of abuse - we see all of these things happening in our relationship with the biosphere. We also see a very powerful addictiveness working itself out in our patterns of over-consumption that have led to so much ecological damage, and I think addictiveness is also a response to trauma.

If you accept for a minute my emphasis on patterns of individual and societal trauma as the key to understanding a range of destructive social phenomena, then we need to ask ourselves: what can we as therapists do about this? Obviously we can work with individual trauma, and hope that this will have a knock-on effect. But how can we offer therapy to the whole culture? As Freud pointed out many years ago, we cannot expect society to turn up at our consulting room door.

Well, one thing we can do is to keep talking about these issues, naming the role of societal trauma. Over the last century, many concepts that originated in psychotherapy have worked their way through into general cultural awareness, and this does over time make a difference. Another thing we can do, or at least those of us who feel drawn to this work, is to facilitate groups of various kinds to look at how trauma is affecting their actions and experience. I have already mentioned working in areas of inter-community conflict - also a tremendous amount of good work is going on with survivors of traumatic conflict, trying to ensure that the trauma is not simply knocked on into the next generation to repeat itself in acts of mutual revenge.

But as regards the environmental crisis, of course, we are all in the front line, all in the combat zone. And what ecopsychologists have found is that, in order to start addressing these issues, many people need help in opening up to their despair about the future. In a very real sense, our culture is dancing on the edge of the volcano: it is exactly because we know how grim the future looks that we are unable to look at it, unable to do anything about it. The Buddhist activist Joanna Macy has developed a very powerful structure called 'despair and empowerment work', which facilitates people in going down into their grief, rage and hopelessness about the future of the planet, and then to turn upwards again with a new sense of power to effect change. This applies not only to ecopsychology, but to any sort of social activism for change. We need to give up before we can start to work in a creative way.

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 22:04
by RevdTess
The Buddhist activist Joanna Macy has developed a very powerful structure called 'despair and empowerment work', which facilitates people in going down into their grief, rage and hopelessness about the future of the planet, and then to turn upwards again with a new sense of power to effect change.
I would really like to experience that. Mostly my sense of "grief, rage and hopelessness" leads to withdrawal and a nihilistic pleasure in the future downfall of this arrogant society. If there was something I felt could be done, I would do it.

Posted: 08 Aug 2005, 02:26
by beev
Such are the joys of Buddhism! If you are doing something positive that helps to improve your environment, you've won the battle against hopelessness. That's all you need to do. It's all you can do. Maybe others will even follow your example.

You really think the downfall of this "arrogant" society would be a good thing? What about all the wonderful things? The art, the music, the friendships, the choice, the brilliant people who designed the amazing place where you live? What about the internet and the free flow of information that is now starting to happen? It is nothing short of AMAZING! There are so many great people out there doing such wonderful things. Are you oblivious to all that?

Posted: 08 Aug 2005, 12:59
by RevdTess
beev wrote:You really think the downfall of this "arrogant" society would be a good thing? What about all the wonderful things? The art, the music, the friendships, the choice, the brilliant people who designed the amazing place where you live? What about the internet and the free flow of information that is now starting to happen? It is nothing short of AMAZING! There are so many great people out there doing such wonderful things. Are you oblivious to all that?
I did say it was nihilistic. ;)

Of course there are many amazing things and much bliss and much suffering, and it will always be so in one form or another.

I'm not oblivious to any of it, and quite in love with the whole kaboodle. :)

Posted: 08 Aug 2005, 13:33
by peaky
I would recommend an excellent site - www.medialens.org - because obviously this is not only about PO, it's the entire edifice.

David Edwards, one of the editors of Medialens wrote a superb book called "Free To Be Human - Intellectual self-defence in an age of illusion" and in that was the quote; "It's very hard for a man to see what his job depends on him not seeing." Sums up a huge amount of the problem I reckon.

Posted: 08 Aug 2005, 23:21
by fromthemiddleofnowhere
Interesting thread! I had been doing a lot of thinking about this lately, as there is so many people who seem to just stick their heads in the sand. My partner has made me aware of peakoil, which I then started researching online and it has really opened my eyes. I tried to share what I found out with my sister who replied to me 'no, I'm not into that sort of thing' as if it was about fashion?!

It's so much easier to not deal with reality. But as Matt Savinar said, deal with reality or reality will deal with you

Posted: 20 Aug 2005, 19:55
by fishertrop
If the stock market is as much an indicator of public/national state-of-mind then when I look at this graph:

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The thing that strikes me is not how sharp the "black day" was in terms of pure numbers but how in subsequent years - inspite of a few upticks - the whole thing just declines and declines.

The DJIA drops from a peak of near 400 to around 50, if that was an index of "how good do you feel about the world" then thats a pretty big hit.

It makes me wonder about how the wider Uk populous would react in the long term to "cheap oil is gone, get used to big changes in your life, in your future" and I wonder if we might see a collective "happyness graph" that looks like this one did?

Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 14:31
by fishertrop
This is a great example of how the public react to energy prices:
http://www.heraldsun.com/firstnews/37-640059.html
DALLAS -- It's a scene gas station workers say is becoming increasingly common and frightening: Customers angry over gas prices nearing $3 a gallon storm in and decide to take it out on the employees.

"They just yell and scream," said Selam Berhe, assistant manager at a Dallas Tetco station. "They think it's only us that are high-priced."
To me personally I CANNOT see why anyone would act like that, which makes me think:
a) I understand the public even less than I thought I did :lol:
b) I fear for the future :cry:

Posted: 12 Sep 2005, 10:58
by skeptik
fishertrop wrote:
To me personally I CANNOT see why anyone would act like that, which makes me think:
a) I understand the public even less than I thought I did :lol:
b) I fear for the future :cry:
Possibly that's because you (unconsciously?) see human beings as purely rational entities, which they are not.

These people do not understand why the prices have spiked. They do not understand the somewhat convoluted process by which petrol retailers in the USA set their price, which involves having to second guess the *next* price move in the wholesale market. So they reach for the first thing they can think of. Somebody is ripping them off and making a huge profit. This makes them angry. An angry human is not a logical human. Logic and emotion cannot co-exist in the human brain. Extreme emotion at best has a distorting effect on logic and at worst blows it away completely. For instance, there is no logic to 'falling in love' - the process operates below the conscious , rational level. (the processes are actually quite primitive - evolutionary, to do with optimal mate selection for reproductive success. People rationalise why they picked a certain partner after the event and are never aware of the real reasons)

For most people anger / rage not only blows away logic it is also is an unpleasant feeling. Just trying to bottle it up is very stressful. (though some people do get addicted to the hormonal release it produces) . It has to be discharged via expression in behaviour. The angry motorists are simply picking on the nearest avaialable target to discharge their rage. That their choice is not logical doesn't come into it. The poor old petrol pump attendents and cashiers are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Human beings are not computers. We are mainly animal with a thin smear of rationality on top.

Posted: 12 Sep 2005, 17:30
by RevdTess
skeptik wrote:Human beings are not computers. We are mainly animal with a thin smear of rationality on top.
Aye, and the rationality is usually added afterwards.