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This looks interesting. I think she'd be a very good choice, personally. Not tainted by Labour's brexit problems, and less vulnerable to accusations of being "loony left".

She is a soft left remainer.

But, you think she is just the ticket..

...righto

Little John wrote:She is a soft left remainer.

But, you think she is just the ticket..

...righto

She voted for Johnson's deal in October. She was one of the few who resisted calls for labour to back a second referendum.

As usual, you are dismissing all the viable options, even though there are no alternatives. Who would be your choice for Labour leader? I am fairly confident you won't be able to answer this question.

Oh, I can answer the question. There are none. In terms of obstacles to the betterment of the working class of this country, Labour need to be destroyed even more than the Tories do. Until they are, nothing can change.

Little John wrote:Oh, I can answer the question. There are none. In terms of obstacles to the betterment of the working class of this country, Labour need to be destroyed even more than the Tories do. Until they are, nothing can change.

Right, so you are advocating Labour elects nobody as its leader.

I hope you'll forgive me for ignoring your opinion. When you are interested in realism instead of idiotic idealism then we can talk about this again. You say you speak for the working class, but you have nothing to say which could possibly help them politically. Literally you have nothing to say.

UndercoverElephant wrote:

Little John wrote:Oh, I can answer the question. There are none. In terms of obstacles to the betterment of the working class of this country, Labour need to be destroyed even more than the Tories do. Until they are, nothing can change.

Right, so you are advocating Labour elects nobody as its leader.

I hope you'll forgive me for ignoring your opinion. When you are interested in realism instead of idiotic idealism then we can talk about this again. You say you speak for the working class, but you have nothing to say which could possibly help them politically. Literally you have nothing to say.

No, I am advocating that in the absence of electing an actual socialist who also believes in nation state democracy, it is irrelevant to the working class who they put in placce. It is irrelevant in economic terms because nothing will change and it is irrelevant in broader political/cultural terms because it will simply reinforce, to working class voters, that Labour no longer represents them.

You really actually are irretrievably petite bourgeois, aren't you

Sir Keir seems the best of a bad bunch.

He will appeal to soft liberal and tory voters. He comes across as intelligent, serious and prime ministerial. He does need to accept Brexit though.

RLB would be a dreadful choice.

And it does seem likely to be a battle between the two of them given the hurdles involved in getting backing from the unions and constituencies.

No idea who would win among membership. Betting markets indicate RLB will win.

Lord Beria3 wrote:Sir Keir seems the best of a bad bunch.

He will appeal to soft liberal and tory voters. He comes across as intelligent, serious and prime ministerial. He does need to accept Brexit though.

RLB would be a dreadful choice.

Kier Starmer is one of the worst choices in terms of addressing the reasons why so many working class leave voters deserted Labour.

The level of wilful delusion both here and elsewhere is laughable. Frankly, it would bother me terribly if I still gave a single solitary shit about what happens to Labour. But, I don't. Or, rather, to any extent I still do, it is only in terms of wishing Labour's final destruction sooner rather than later. So, I guess Starmer or Thornberry as new Leaders of the Labour Pparty would be be good choices....

For the hard of thinking, who still don't appear to have quite grasped that Labour's annihilation in this GE was about blocking Brexit, here's a list of all the seats Labour lost to the Tories, and how they voted in the Brexit referendum.

Blyth Valley – leave
Workington – leave
Barrow & Furness – leave
Blackpool South – leave
Leigh – leave
Bolton N.E. – leave
Bury South – leave
Hyndburn – leave
Burnley – leave
Keighley – leave
N.W.Durham – leave
Heywood & Middleton - leave
Bishop Auckland – leave
Darlington – leave
Sedgefield – leave
Stockton South – leave
Redcar – leave
Penistone – leave
Dewsbury – leave
Wakefield – leave
Scunthorpe – leave
Great Grimsby – leave
Lincoln – leave
Don Valley – leave
Rother Valley – leave
Bassetlaw – leave
Bolsover – leave
Ashfield – leave
Gedling – leave
Peterborough – leave
Ispwich leave
Derby North – leave
Stoke on Trent – leave
Newcastle – under – Lyme – leave
Crewe and Nantwich – leave
Wrexham – leave
Clywd South – leave
Vale of Clywd – leave
Delyn – leave
Yns Mons – leave
Wolverhampton N.E. – leave
Wolverhampton S,W. – leave
Dudley North – leave
Birmingham, Northfield – leave
Stroud – remain (54.1%)
Bridgend – remain (50.4%)
Kensington – remain (68.7%)
Colne Valley – remain (50.4%)

Of the four ‘Remain’ seats lost in the GE, all but one were seats in which Labour shocked Tory incumbents in 2017 by overturning big majorities to win by a fraction. Emma Dent Coad in Kensington and Chelsea lost by just 150 votes – and only because an ex-Tory LibDem sucked away anti-Tory votes.

This Simon Jenkins article in the Grauniad says that the LibDems should disband and join Labour. That won't do LJ's ideas of the Labour movement any good but might raise a cheer among the metropolitan, champagne socialists of the south who hold sway as the moment.

Little John wrote:
You really actually are irretrievably petite bourgeois, aren't you

Because I believe the Labour Party actually requires a new leader?

She's your man, Steve: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-21116114

Long-Bailey is dropping fast in the next leader betting market. I think this is going to be between Starmer and Nandy.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... ng-bailey/

Correct.

Not sure lisa nandy can get through. Will need union support.

The rules are v complicated.