Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[biffvernon]

...what are YOU doing about it?

Yes, I'd also be interested in you, sushil_yadav, are doing today, this week, this month about this problem?

In the grand scheme of things, posting long messages on the Internet is a fairly low-carbon activity. And his message is, by and large, correct.

But it would be interesting to know what Sushil does in real life.

[sushil_yadav]

But it would be interesting to know what Sushil does in real life.

I have not worked in any office or organization for many years..........I have spent most of my time in solitude even though I have lived most of my life in Delhi which is very crowded and noisy........I like stopping activity - all activity - physical activity and mental thinking simultaneously and staying in the state where the subjective experience is neutral - neither agitated / excited nor sad.......I like to remain in a state of non-doing rather than doing - the goal of yoga, meditation, pranayama........staying in this state for long duration is difficult, most of the time is spent trying to achieve the state.

[3rdRock]

'Yeh man, I know what you mean'

[Catweazle]

I like to remain in a state of non-doing rather than doing - the goal of yoga, meditation, pranayama........staying in this state for long duration is difficult,

It's the same here, the DWP are keen to stamp it out.

[Little John]

I like to remain in a state of non-doing rather than doing - the goal of yoga, meditation, pranayama........staying in this state for long duration is difficult,

It's the same here, the DWP are keen to stamp it out.

[woodburner]

But it would be interesting to know what Sushil does in real life.

I have not worked in any office or organization for many years..........I have spent most of my time in solitude even though I have lived most of my life in Delhi which is very crowded and noisy........I like stopping activity - all activity - physical activity and mental thinking simultaneously and staying in the state where the subjective experience is neutral - neither agitated / excited nor sad.......I like to remain in a state of non-doing rather than doing - the goal of yoga, meditation, pranayama........staying in this state for long duration is difficult, most of the time is spent trying to achieve the state.

Could be read as " I do f*ck all, and am a society parasite."

[sushil_yadav]

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Whenever I post, Woodburner starts itching..........Work is the biggest evil of industrial society........Work turned into overwork after industrialization........Work turned into extra, unnecessary, destructive and worthless work after industrialization........Urban work has destroyed the planet because urban work has destroyed Exponential Extra Environment.

The entire urban population of industrial society is a parasite.


If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.

For millions of years there was just one main activity / occupation on earth - "Searching for Food" / "Producing Food"..........Urban population of industrial society is the anomaly that is producing consumer goods and services.

For millions of years, both adults and the offspring of millions of animal species "searched for food".

For 1 million years in hunter_gatherer society both adults and children "searched for food".

For 10,000 years in agrarian society, both adults and children "produced food"

In industrial society which has only existed for 100 years, urban adults are producing consumer goods and services in industries and corporations..........Their children go to schools and universities where they learn how to produce and sell consumer goods in future.
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Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.

Industrial man has destroyed Exponential Extra Environment.

EXPONENTIAL EXTRA ENVIRONMENT.

Millions of other species have already been decimated by industrial activity......Man is next on the list.......Human collapse will come with lightning speed now.

The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.........Millions of other species only get food from earth.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Man lived in hunter_gatherer society for one million years........Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.
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[woodburner]

By your own admission you do nothing if at all possible, but you use the gadgets afforded by others' work. At least if you are going to do nothing, have the decency not to use others' efforts without giving something back. If you didn't have consumer goods you wouldn't be posting here. Stop being a hypocrite.

PS If the planet has been destroyed, where are you?

[mr brightside]

Massive sockpuppet.

[woodburner]

Who, me?

[sushil_yadav]

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This joker knows the word hypocrite but he doesn't know how to use it or where to use it,,,,,,,,,,,Did I ever claim that I am not a part of society that has destroyed environment???

Anyone who is born in industrial society becomes a part of the destructive system.

Computers are being used in industrial society because they are being manufactured by industrial society..........Was anyone using computer in pre-industrial society when it was not being manufactured???

The issue is environmental destruction, not what I like or dislike.

Will environmental destruction stop if I stop using the computer???

Millions of industries and corporations are destroying the planet moment by moment..........Will all these industries stop destroying environment if I stop using consumer goods???

Billions of people are not using the computer today.........Even this has not saved environment because billions of other people are using the computer and thousands of other consumer goods and services whose production has destroyed environment.

Individual lifestyle changes DO NOT save environment.
It is what the society does COLLECTIVELY that matters.
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You have no concern for environment.........You want to destroy environment with industry that produces consumer goods ........So why are you using nature to keep yourself alive???

Why do you breathe the air?
Why do you drink the water?
Why do you eat the food that comes from fertile soil, water and sunlight?

Why don't you have computers for breakfast, lunch and dinner???
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If you don't get consumer goods you will not die.

If you don't get food to eat you will die in a month.
If you don't get water to drink you will die in a week.
If you don't get air to breathe you will die in a few minutes.
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Industrial society has destroyed necessary things for making unnecessary things.

Industrial society has destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere for making consumer goods.
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[kenneal - lagger]

Was anyone using computer in pre-industrial society when it was not being manufactured???

Yes, the Ancient Greeks had one to show the movements of the moon and planets around the sun for maritime navigation purposes. Maybe they had others.

We are fully aware of the rest because many of us found out about problems with industrial society before you were born and have been trying to do something about it ever since. And, anyway, you have told us at least a dozen times before!

[Automaton]

Anyone who is born in industrial society becomes a part of the destructive system.

You could more accurately say that anyone who is born is part of the destructive system.

Honestly (speaking as an automaton), you humans are so full of yourselves; you think you are somehow 'outside' of nature, like you're just visiting or something! But as the philosopher Alan Watts used to say (and I'm probably paraphrasing here) "you don't come into the world, you come out of it". You (and every other human) are exactly what you should be, must be, and you couldn't be anything else. What you complain about when you talk about the evils of 'industrial society' is what humans do. It is their natural function and behaviour, not a choice. Humans have no choice, they just think they do (because they're not clever enough to see the big picture for long). And humans are not 'good', not even 'nice' (even though they think that too). Here's an a analogy for you: if life is like the cycle of the seasons, humans are part of the autumn/winter, not the spring/summer. It's just nature.

Our function (speaking as a human), i.e. that which we evolved to do in the greater scheme of things, is to break things down, to destroy. And that's what we do. And that's what you do, while dreaming that you are 'something more'.

[Little John]

The only way the human species is going to change direction is if we are stopped from continuing on our current course since we cannot stop ourselves.

And who is going to stop us?

[Automaton]

The only way the human species is going to change direction is if we are stopped from continuing on our current course since we cannot stop ourselves.

And who is going to stop us?

Indeed. We've shown ourselves to be very good at defeating or annihilating anything that tries to stop us (our burgeoning population is a good demonstration of our success), and we're evidently happy to pour enormous amounts of money and energy into finding further ways to keep doing so.

We'll only be stopped when our work is done, and we'll probably be the ones that stop ourselves!