General Election Dec 2019 thread

[stumuz1]

Just voted in the a close 3way seat of Ynys Mon (Anglesey). Con/Lab/Plaid.

Absolutely no Idea how it will turn out.

Brexit party throwing the kitchen sink at Holyhead. Don't think it will be successful. It will be interesting to see who the BP takes the votes from.

[Little John]

Let us, for the sake of greater clarity, take the “Workers’ Party� in Britain (the “Labour Party�). We know that there is in Britain a special party of the workers that is based on the trade unions of the factory and office workers. No one hesitates to call it a workers’ party. It is called that not only in British, but in all other Marxist literature. But can it be said that this party is a real workers’ party, a class party of the workers, standing in opposition to the bourgeoisie? Can it be said that it is actually the party of one class, the working class, and not a party, say, of two classes? No, it cannot. Actually, the Labour Party in Britain is the party of a bloc of the workers and the urban petty bourgeoisie. Actually, it is the party of a bloc of two classes. And if it is asked whose influence is stronger in this party, that of the workers, who stand in opposition to the bourgeoisie, or that of the petty bourgeoisie, it must be said that the influence of the petty bourgeoisie predominates in this party. That indeed explains why the British Labour Party is actually an appendage of the bourgeois liberal party - Stalin (Works, volume 9, pages 253-54)

Nothing has changed.

[UndercoverElephant]

Let us, for the sake of greater clarity, take the “Workers’ Party� in Britain (the “Labour Party�). We know that there is in Britain a special party of the workers that is based on the trade unions of the factory and office workers. No one hesitates to call it a workers’ party. It is called that not only in British, but in all other Marxist literature. But can it be said that this party is a real workers’ party, a class party of the workers, standing in opposition to the bourgeoisie? Can it be said that it is actually the party of one class, the working class, and not a party, say, of two classes? No, it cannot. Actually, the Labour Party in Britain is the party of a bloc of the workers and the urban petty bourgeoisie. Actually, it is the party of a bloc of two classes. And if it is asked whose influence is stronger in this party, that of the workers, who stand in opposition to the bourgeoisie, or that of the petty bourgeoisie, it must be said that the influence of the petty bourgeoisie predominates in this party. That indeed explains why the British Labour Party is actually an appendage of the bourgeois liberal party - Stalin (Works, volume 9, pages 253-54)

Nothing has changed.

And yet it remains the case that the Labour Party is the only party that has ever fought to improve the condition of the working class. The tories have always fought for the opposite, and the liberals have been reduced to irrelevance since shortly after the Labour Party was founded.

If we take that at face value then the true party of the workers is the Socialist Workers Party, and they will never have the slightest sniff of power anywhere.

You've got to vote for somebody, or you don't even have the right to complain. And for most people, if their vote matters at all, it is a choice between the tories and labour. That is just reality.

[Little John]

Let us, for the sake of greater clarity, take the “Workers’ Party� in Britain (the “Labour Party�). We know that there is in Britain a special party of the workers that is based on the trade unions of the factory and office workers. No one hesitates to call it a workers’ party. It is called that not only in British, but in all other Marxist literature. But can it be said that this party is a real workers’ party, a class party of the workers, standing in opposition to the bourgeoisie? Can it be said that it is actually the party of one class, the working class, and not a party, say, of two classes? No, it cannot. Actually, the Labour Party in Britain is the party of a bloc of the workers and the urban petty bourgeoisie. Actually, it is the party of a bloc of two classes. And if it is asked whose influence is stronger in this party, that of the workers, who stand in opposition to the bourgeoisie, or that of the petty bourgeoisie, it must be said that the influence of the petty bourgeoisie predominates in this party. That indeed explains why the British Labour Party is actually an appendage of the bourgeois liberal party - Stalin (Works, volume 9, pages 253-54)

Nothing has changed.

And yet it remains the case that the Labour Party is the only party that has ever fought to improve the condition of the working class. The tories have always fought for the opposite, and the liberals have been reduced to irrelevance since shortly after the Labour Party was founded.

If we take that at face value then the true party of the workers is the Socialist Workers Party, and they will never have the slightest sniff of power anywhere.

You've got to vote for somebody, or you don't even have the right to complain. And for most people, if their vote matters at all, it is a choice between the tories and labour. That is just reality.

The SWP are Trots. Who are the worst of the worst. Most of the trots who got their arses kicked in the 80's went on to become globalist neo-liberalism's biggest cheerleaders in the 90s and beyond. Trots are just another sub-bloc of the petite bourgeoisie. Which is precisely why they change their political allegiances with such ease. They are, for the most part, petite beurgoise losers who didn't get on the gravy train mummy and daddy promised and have a grudge as a consequence.

As for voting - in my constituency, faced with a choice of fake Brexit, break Brexit or no Brexit, I am exercising my democratic right to draw a cock and balls and write "none of the above traitors" on the ballot paper. If I am presented with a shaft about to be shoved up my jacksey I am not going to validate that by voting for it to be made of either oak or ash.

Real civil unrest and violence is now baked into the cake. The bourgeois globalists versus the internal proletariat of nations. One side must win or lose and it's not going to be pretty. That is the future these fuckers have sown for us all.

[Little John]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/1 ... on-so-far/

The most shameless claim of the election so far

Jeremy Corbyn says you ‘need your vote’ to have real change – so why does he want to erase the biggest vote in history?

Today’s General Election will decide the future of Brexit and, by extension, the future of democracy itself. It will decide whether the largest democratic vote in British history will be honoured – or not.

So it was strange that Jeremy Corbyn should tweet the following:

A leader of an openly pro-Remain party, which wants to erase the Leave vote, is now waxing lyrical about the importance of the vote.

Labour’s Brexit policy is not complicated: it is to overturn the Brexit vote by holding a second referendum, in which the choice would be between Remain-in-all-but-name and Remain. A Labour government would ensure that your vote no longer counts.

Worse still, Corbyn says ‘your vote is more powerful than your wealth’. The public knows this. It’s why the vote is so valued. For most people who do not have wealth, it is their only voice. Labour wants to silence that voice.

When it comes to Brexit, wealth and class matter. The wealthier you are, the more likely you were to vote Remain. The less wealthy were more likely to vote Leave. Working-class people were overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit.

Corbyn has sided with the woke and wealthy, who hate Brexit and the people who voted for it. It adds insult to injury to pretend to those poorer voters that their vote matters to Labour while the party plots to tear their votes to shreds.

[UndercoverElephant]

As for voting - in my constituency, faced with a choice of fake Brexit, break Brexit or no Brexit, I am exercising my democratic right to draw a cock and balls and write "none of the above traitors" on the ballot paper. If I am presented with a shaft about to be shoved up my jacksey I am not going to validate that by voting for it to be made of either oak or ash.

Real civil unrest and violence is now baked into the cake. The bourgeois globalists versus the internal proletariat of nations. One side must win or lose and it's not going to be pretty. That is the future these fuckers have sown for us all.

Right. So having relentlessly criticised me for "being part of the liberal petty bourgeoisee", your own contribution to the democratic process is to spoil your ballot paper. An act which will be totally ignored, because nobody will know your reasons for doing so.

This election is the most important of our lifetimes. We will either get a tory government and brexit (of some sort), or we will get a second referendum, and a Corbyn-led government which, even as a minority, is likely to be the most radical since 1945.

If you want to spoil your ballot paper, good for you. Personally I am happy to have done my part in trying to help Labour to take their top target seat in England.

[Little John]

As for voting - in my constituency, faced with a choice of fake Brexit, break Brexit or no Brexit, I am exercising my democratic right to draw a cock and balls and write "none of the above traitors" on the ballot paper. If I am presented with a shaft about to be shoved up my jacksey I am not going to validate that by voting for it to be made of either oak or ash.

Real civil unrest and violence is now baked into the cake. The bourgeois globalists versus the internal proletariat of nations. One side must win or lose and it's not going to be pretty. That is the future these fuckers have sown for us all.

Right. So having relentlessly criticised me for "being part of the liberal petty bourgeoisee", your own contribution to the democratic process is to spoil your ballot paper. An act which will be totally ignored, because nobody will know your reasons for doing so.

This election is the most important of our lifetimes. We will either get a tory government and brexit (of some sort), or we will get a second referendum, and a Corbyn-led government which, even as a minority, is likely to be the most radical since 1945.

If you want to spoil your ballot paper, good for you. Personally I am happy to have done my part in trying to help Labour to take their top target seat in England.

You are a petite beurgoise antidemocrat no less than the Biff Vernons of this world and that makes you the enemy of the working class of this country. I mean that. you and your ilk make me sick.

[UndercoverElephant]

You are a petite beurgoise antidemocrat no less than the Biff Vernons of this world and that makes you the enemy of the working class of this country. I mean that. you and your ilk make me sick.

Can you remind me again why I am an anti-democrat?

Unless you are going to attempt an armed revolution, you have to play by the rules as they currently exist. And that means, if you live in a tight tory-labour marginal, that you either vote tory or vote labour.

You have decided to spoil your ballot paper, which achieves nothing. You say that is because there is nobody on the ballot paper worth voting for, but all you're doing is making yourself politically irrelevant.

Of course, you could always stand as an independent, but that's also a pointless waste of time. As I said before, the independent candidate in my own seat is an acquaintance of mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbTDW-ptig

He thinks he can change the world. All he's achieving by standing for election today is to bleed a few votes from Labour.

[Potemkin Villager]

I used to think tv schedulers had no sense of humor but have now changed my mind. To get everyone in the right frame of mind ITV2 are showing "The Nightmare Before Christmas" between 2020 and 2155 this evening as a prelude to the exit poles being announced. A nightmare for who I wonder? In line with all Brexit themed events there will be a huge number of unhappy campers whatever the outcome.

[Lord Beria3]

UE - I'll take a slim Tory majority any day!

I've also read the huge turnout in London and other big cities.

One prediction I can confidently make is that places like islington etc will see huge turnout for labour.

Thing is that these places are already largely labour held so not a huge help for the party.

[clv101]

I'm trying to understand the mechanism of voting so paid close attention this morning. Several things happen when you go to vote. First your name is crossed off the list, then you are handed a voting slip with a unique number on the back. Then someone transcribes your number from the page with all the names to another page with the voting slip numbers.

This creates a direct relationship between your voting slip and your name and address - which could in theory be used to see how you voted.

[clv101]

The odds of a hung parliament have been shortening all day, now the pound is falling against the Dollar. It's starting to look like the Tories have fluffed it again, lack of policies, hiding from scrutiny and a fire hose of lies... maybe not the best approach?

[UndercoverElephant]

I've had two lots of Labour people knock on my front door in the last hour. They are out in force. They think it is going to be very close here.

[UndercoverElephant]

UE - I'll take a slim Tory majority any day!

I've also read the huge turnout in London and other big cities.

They've said that before. It might be people turning out earlier than normal because it gets dark early. Or it might be a historically high turnout, which is probably bad for the tories.

[UndercoverElephant]

I'm trying to understand the mechanism of voting so paid close attention this morning. Several things happen when you go to vote. First your name is crossed off the list, then you are handed a voting slip with a unique number on the back. Then someone transcribes your number from the page with all the names to another page with the voting slip numbers.

This creates a direct relationship between your voting slip and your name and address - which could in theory be used to see how you voted.

In theory, yes. But they can't look your number up on a database. They'd have to go through 50,000 ballot papers to find it.

This is an insurance policy against electoral fraud, I think.