General Election June 8

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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Little John wrote:I suspected this would happen as soon as I heard about the Tories shacking up with the DUP. Sinn Fein have effectively been forced in this.
Sinn Fein 'flying MPs to London for Westminster induction amid fears they will topple May'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/816361 ... estminster
I don't consider the express to be an entirely reliable source of facts, is this story reported anywhere more reliable ?
I AM NOT saying that it is untrue, but I would take the news a bit more seriously if it was also reported elsewhere.
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It's also been posted in a few less well know publications. So, they can't be used as a test of veracity.

So, we shall have to see if it is picked up anywhere else
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Little John wrote:I suspected this would happen as soon as I heard about the Tories shacking up with the DUP. Sinn Fein have effectively been forced in this.
Sinn Fein 'flying MPs to London for Westminster induction amid fears they will topple May'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/816361 ... estminster
Ha! How many people have told me in the last week that Sinn Fein wouldn't take their seats whatever? Quite a few.
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Little John wrote:It's also been posted in a few less well know publications. So, they can't be used as a test of veracity.

So, we shall have to see if it is picked up anywhere else
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3786046/s ... -majority/
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I do not consider that the Sun is any more reliable than the Express, BUT two reports from different unreliable sources, are beginning to look a bit more believable.

We live in interesting times.
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Technically they don't have enough seats to wreck the Tory-DUP majority, but they can cut it from 13 to 6, and their mere presence at Westminster would be enough to send shivers down the spines of the whole chamber. Just imagine Gerry Adams speaking from the opposition benches in response to the DUP. Imagine the power of that image to destroy the reputation of the tory party.
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I think I read it would be cut to 4
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Also, just as a matter of interest, from what I have read, there were about twenty by-elections in the 2010 - 2015 parliament. I don't know if that is typical. But, if it is, then this would suggest an average of 4 per year.
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They have claimed expenses before. That was part of the Good Friday agreement.
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I can't see this happening. SF mPs have offices etc in westminster.

Sf would only do this if promised a referendum. This would bring up the honest broker arguement, chaos and violence in NI, potential breakup of the UK, and damaged reputation to labour and corbyn
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They're denying they'll take up their seats.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/g ... -1-4474095
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The shinners always trot over to register so they can get their dibs on allowances, claim office space and top up on laser printer toner etc. Who knows perhaps they use the portcullis envelopes as fire lighters? This is a wind up and the fear of them toppling the government is entirely in the fevered imaginings of Express hacks.

The tory government and the lib dems have shown that they are quite capable of doing that themselves.
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ha ha

You guys can barely contain yourself at the prospect of Sinn Fein taking the oath to the Queen!

Not going to happen.

It will go against every Republican principle.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:
Not going to happen.
It's a funny old world. Sometimes things happen that almost nobody thinks is going to happen.
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True, but they would have to get something out of it that they really want (eg a referendum on a united ireland that they might win). As it stands I think a majority would vote to remain with the UK.
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