What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?
Little John wrote:Renationalisation of the Railways, in particular, is illegal under EU law. As I said, ideologically possessed morons.
What definition of renationalisation? Which EU law?
What was the legal situation with the East Coast renationalisation in 2009? My understanding is that as and when the current franchises run out, a publicly owned company would take over the franchise. Is that right, and is it illegal? Don't we currently have some franchises run by state owned companies already? Trenitalia for example. What would be different with Labour's nationalisation?
Little John wrote:Renationalisation of the Railways, in particular, is illegal under EU law. As I said, ideologically possessed morons.
What definition of renationalisation? Which EU law?
What was the legal situation with the East Coast renationalisation in 2009? My understanding is that as and when the current franchises run out, a publicly owned company would take over the franchise. Is that right, and is it illegal? Don't we currently have some franchises run by state owned companies already? Trenitalia for example. What would be different with Labour's nationalisation?
EU directive 91/40
You don't understand EU legislation. Or, rather, you don't want to:
As I said, it depends what you mean by nationalisation.
Nothing in the new regulations stops a state owned company being awarded franchises. From where the UK is now, I'd expect to see an increase in state run franchises, maybe the majority. Other countries in EU where state ownership is already the norm rather than the exception are likely not see a reduction.
Little John wrote:Renationalisation of the Railways, in particular, is illegal under EU law. As I said, ideologically possessed morons.
Whether or not it is possible inside the EU is debatable. What is not debatable is that such a policy has nothing to do with Blairism. This is exactly the sort of Labour policy that Blair tried to put an end to, once and for all.
clv101 wrote:As I said, it depends what you mean by nationalisation.
Nothing in the new regulations stops a state owned company being awarded franchises. From where the UK is now, I'd expect to see an increase in state run franchises, maybe the majority. Other countries in EU where state ownership is already the norm rather than the exception are likely not see a reduction.
Bollocks. Again, you do not know the legislation. It makes it quite clear the onus is on the state to prove it cannot give contracts to private. And, if any private companies feel that they have been unfairly treated in that regard they can go running to the EU courts. Also, what is true of the railways is also true of other industries such as the NHS.
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Little John wrote:Renationalisation of the Railways, in particular, is illegal under EU law. As I said, ideologically possessed morons.
Whether or not it is possible inside the EU is debatable. What is not debatable is that such a policy has nothing to do with Blairism. This is exactly the sort of Labour policy that Blair tried to put an end to, once and for all.
Blair was an avid cheerleader for the EU and Corbyn claims not to be.
So what?
That makes Corbyn even worse since his capitulation to continued membership of the EU in all but name means he is just another limp-wristed, hand-wringing apologist for it. Which is even more despicable than being a cheerleader for it.
They also have very strict state aid rules. Tory remainers like the eu precisely for that reason.
Of course you know state aid rules don't apply to aspects of transportation, including rail travel. Hence the highly subsidised ticket prices in much of the EU.
Jeremy Corbyn was supposed to be a TRUSTWORTHY politician. With principles and values. That was his point. He lied about brexit, which is about democracy. He became UNTRUSTWORTHY.
So many questions, which haven't been asked by the media or even opposition parties to my knowledge, about these nationalising policies point to more UNTRUSTWORTHYness.
I dont think Corbyn or labour will do anything of note if elected.
He'll probably be replaced quickly by someone who wants to distance him/herself from Jeremy, by moving in a different direction.
I wouldn't mind particularly, but the end result will be a damaged democracy with little compensation in return.
Little John wrote:Blair was an avid cheerleader for the EU and Corbyn claims not to be.
So what?
This has F--k all to do with the EU. Blair's success was based on not upsetting the status quo, not challenging the establishment or the banks, and accepting the legacy of Thatcherism. Corbyn has reversed all of that. You seem to think this doesn't matter, or that EU membership is far more important. I see no justification for this.
That makes Corbyn even worse since his capitulation to continued membership of the EU in all but name means he is just another limp-wristed, hand-wringing apologist for it. Which is even more despicable than being a cheerleader for it.
As already explained, Corbyn is a democrat, and is abiding by decisions made at the Labour conference. This is not "capitulation". It's democracy.
This behaviour is absolutely reprehensible. We are getting more and more blatant lies and misinformation coming from the tory propaganda machine, with no shame. It is also really stupid, because they get caught every time.
Been reading around today, pro labour bloggers, polls and the news and it seems that labour have stabilised and probably inched up their support since the NHS rocketed up the agenda.
The defensive shift to the red wall has helped for labour. Wales is an interesting one - I'm very pessimistic that the Tories can make more than 1 or 2 gains but against that the welsh Tories are polling better than a long time which according to the polling swing websites would get a tory gain of 6 seats or so.
Guildford looks like a gonner for the Tories but they seem to be hanging on in the rest of the south. Fear of Corbyn has shifted some of the remaining undecided tory remain vote to boris.
North east looks solid for labour but the Corbyn and Brexit factors should yield the Tories some gains in labour's red wall.
Scotland is the wildcard. Nobody has challenged my forecast of the Scottish Tories gaining seats from the snp. It has major implications, 1 tory majority becomes easier and 2 makes a labour snp coalition harder.
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