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What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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While most people are gawping in astonishment at events in the US, the political tectonic plates are moving here in the UK. The last time a party other than the Tories or Labour were top in the UK polls was a brief period during Thatcher's first term when the SDP were flying high. That proved a false dawn because a combination of North Sea oil revenue and the Falklands war saved the Tories. Labour are not going to be so lucky. Yesterday's poll put Reform 5 over Labour and 11 over the tories, another one today has them joint top with Labour with the tories well behind both of them. The trend lines could not be clearer:

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Six months ago I said I thought Farage might be the next PM and not many people agreed with me. Now pretty much everybody agrees it is possible, and we're fast heading towards the point where that will be the most common prediction. But the real story is that having got to this point, it is very hard to see how either the tories or Labour can recover. All the momentum is with Reform.

The tories cannot rehabilitate themselves because they betrayed their own core vote on immigration and because they no longer appeal to anybody apart from the richest 5-10%. Indeed, if you take the "don't knows" and "won't votes" out of the statistics then that is about the level of support they have now. But what has changed with these recent polls is that there are now a large number of constituencies where even loyal tory voters must now seriously consider switching to Reform for tactical reasons -- these are people whose top priority is making sure Labour don't win a second term, and with Reform way ahead of the tories nationally then in the majority of historic swing seats the situation will now be that these people will vote Reform tactically to stop Labour or the LibDems getting in. I think they're finished as a prospect for national government, though they will persist in local government.

Labour has got nothing to offer anybody at all. Who do they represent? What do they stand for? They were elected on the basis that the country needed to get rid of an exhausted and broken tory government, and a lot of people were waiting to see what they would do in government. And it has become very clear that this is a bunch of people who, for all their lofty intentions, do not really understand the nature of the problems they are trying to solve, and have got no new ideas about how to solve them. They promised change, but all they can deliver is a slightly less dysfunctional and corrupt version of what came before them. And it is not just because they were dealt an unplayable hand -- the problem is also strategic, in the sense that Starmer appears to have no vision whatsoever. All he does is triangulate and manage. People are desperate. They want and need inspired leadership, but what they've got is an AI prime minister.

The libdems have got nowhere to go, either ideologically or geographically. They have solid support in their heartlands but there are very few places where they can make progress in terms of numbers of MPs because they are starting from such a low position due to previous tactical voting for Labour. If you offered them an extra 20 MPs at the next election, they'd bite your arm off.

The Greens have now been completely taken over by the social extreme left, many of whom (such as Owen Jones) very rarely even mention anything to do with ecological sustainability. Great if you want 26 genders recognised, not so great if you think we're heading for worst ecological crisis there will ever be. They are a joke.

Reform now have 4 long years to get their act together -- and they now actually look like an appealing prospect for serious candidates -- people who actually want a career in politics and will be looking at the current polls and wondering whether to give it a shot. Not many people are interested in standing for parliament with no real chance of winning, which is partly why Reform struggled with some candidates at the last election. They cannot solve the UK's long term problems, but they offer something fundamentally different. If they do win then we will obviously be entering a new era in British politics, especially if a Reform government implements electoral reform. I suspect they will put it in their next manifesto and that doing so will seal the deal with the electorate -- I can even imagine liberal democrats and labour voters "lending their votes" to Reform just to get rid of First Past The Post, especially since the introduction of PR would surely mean that Reform would only get one term as a majority government.

But where does that leave us for the 2034/5 election?

It is at least possible that something new and to most people very unexpected might emerge. The moment would be ripe with possibilities.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... servatives
Neither Ukip nor the Brexit party were credible local threats in many seats, but the current splintered polling takes us into the zone of maximum electoral chaos where Farage is one threat among many, and even small fluctuations in support could have dramatic effects.

The Farage threat is strategic for Labour, but for the Conservatives it is existential. Seven months on from their worst-ever general ­election result, the Tories are still going backwards. In the latest Opinium poll, the Conservatives lose one in six of their 2024 voters to Reform, while one in three of their 2019 ­supporters now back Farage’s party.

Recovery in opposition will depend on convincing unhappy voters that the Conservatives are the only credible alternative. But every Reform poll lead brings us closer to the point where Farage can turn the tables, convincing discontented ­voters that Reform UK is the most ­viable opposition contender, and engineering a further, and perhaps terminal, Tory decline.
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Reform UK sets out plan to tax renewable energy:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn93w44yv74o
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Mark wrote: 12 Feb 2025, 20:23 Reform UK sets out plan to tax renewable energy:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn93w44yv74o
Yep, taking us backwards rather than just going nowhere. As opposed to Labour, who have just decided expanding Heathrow airport is a good idea after all...

All that has happened is that the pretence we can stop climate change is being dropped. The reality is that (collectively) the world was never going to choose to leave viable fossil fuels in the ground, and we have now reached the point where it is becoming impossible to keep the existing economic system going unless that truth is now exposed for all to see. And you know what? Nobody cares. The number of voices saying "At this point, just build the thing!" is far outweighing those saying "But climate change! Don't you understand?".

Of course I could vote Green if I wanted to waste my vote signalling a preference for the pretence to continue for a while, but only if I also want to signal that I support completely open borders and the recognition of 26 genders.

Pre-collapse politics has a little further to run before the shit finally starts hitting the fan properly.
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Farage promised to democratise the reform party that was a private company with him as the controlling shareholder of 5.

It is now a not for profit company with just 2 members, one of the Farage. It has a 17 page constitution which states it will have a 7 member board of directors, with 4 appointed directly by Farage. The remaining 3 will be selected by Reform's 200,000 supporters. The controlling members can be removed by a vote of no confidence if requested IN WRITING by more than half of the 200,000 supporters, or more than half the party MPs, once the party has 100 MPs in parliament.

So Farage has consolidated his total control over the party and it's finances, not democratised them.
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mini-Trump - what did you expect ?
Democracy is 'so last year'....
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OK, Farage is now saying more babies are needed to save Judaeo-Christian culture. There I draw the line -- I cannot vote for that.

I have no idea who to vote for now. None of them come even remotely close to offering what I want.

Although we are a long way from the next election, and it looks like we're going to be living in a rather different world by then.
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Agreed - an awful lot is going to change in 4+ years.
The world is highly unstable at the mo - key will be how the Trump experiment pans out....
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