Is Democracy the Best form of Government

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

Moderator: Peak Moderation

User avatar
adam2
Site Admin
Posts: 10892
Joined: 02 Jul 2007, 17:49
Location: North Somerset, twinned with Atlantis

Re: Is Democracy the Best form of Government

Post by adam2 »

The best form of government in my view is not democracy, but an appointed panel of experienced and qualified experts.
I cringe when I see democratically elected politicians who do not understand basic science, especially when they are making decisions regarding fuel, energy, and power.

In practice though it would be too contentious as to whom should be appointed, why, and how selected. Democracy is probably the best ACHIEVABLE system.
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
User avatar
UndercoverElephant
Posts: 13496
Joined: 10 Mar 2008, 00:00
Location: UK

Re: Is Democracy the Best form of Government

Post by UndercoverElephant »

johnny wrote: 04 Jan 2024, 01:29
Default0ptions wrote: 02 Jan 2024, 20:29
johnny wrote: 31 Dec 2023, 15:31 Maybe Americans will realize they have to make it work, they were formed by refusing to bootlick Kings, an original or backup system for others not so dedicated to the idea, who still seem to idolize or hoping to be ruled that way.
Yeah Johnny, I agree.
Of course we sometimes behead kings instead
And Americans assassinate their Presidents. guns..Guns..GUNS! All 4 of them. 'MURIKA!

Citizens are allowed their own means of correcting flaws in the system, when push comes to shove.
Interesting use of the word "correcting".
"We fail to mandate economic sanity because our brains are addled by....compassion." (Garrett Hardin)
User avatar
UndercoverElephant
Posts: 13496
Joined: 10 Mar 2008, 00:00
Location: UK

Re: Is Democracy the Best form of Government

Post by UndercoverElephant »

adam2 wrote: 27 Jan 2024, 09:30 The best form of government in my view is not democracy, but an appointed panel of experienced and qualified experts.
Who appoints them?
In practice though it would be too contentious as to whom should be appointed, why, and how selected.
Exactly. This is why Plato said we need to be governed by philosopher kings -- select the most talented as children, then give them the best training possible in all fields relevant to the intellect and the soul, so they are both exceptionally well educated and ethically/spiritually motivated.

Unfortunately Plato didn't mean they should be free-thinkers capable of coming to their own philosophical conclusions -- the system they would implement would be his, of course. He even advocated that the rest of the population be basically brainwashed for their own good.

For me the question is radically open -- having spent a lot of time thinking about it and talking to people who have very differing ideas about the answer, I have no answer. I don't know what is the best form of government.
"We fail to mandate economic sanity because our brains are addled by....compassion." (Garrett Hardin)
User avatar
Potemkin Villager
Posts: 1960
Joined: 14 Mar 2006, 10:58
Location: Narnia

Re: Is Democracy the Best form of Government

Post by Potemkin Villager »

UndercoverElephant wrote: 27 Jan 2024, 12:13
He even advocated that the rest of the population be basically brainwashed for their own good.
That could be a starter!

At least being brainwashed for their own good, or for the good of society as a whole, would be an improvement
on being brainwashed solely for the benefit of the brainwashing class.
Overconfidence, not just expert overconfidence but general overconfidence,
is one of the most common illusions we experience. Stan Robinson
User avatar
Potemkin Villager
Posts: 1960
Joined: 14 Mar 2006, 10:58
Location: Narnia

Re: Is Democracy the Best form of Government

Post by Potemkin Villager »

Owen Matthews' book on the Russian-Ukraine conflict "Overreach" contains many fascinating insights into extreme and pragmatic political cynicism.

Relevant to this discussion are remarks attributed to Zelensky's predecessor, former Ukrainian President and oligarch Petro Poroshenko "that a voter is a shallow person who simply forgets what they were promised from one election to another. He wants to hear certain lies during a campaign. The elections consist of a kind of competition between liars and people vote for the most talented and boldest one."
Overconfidence, not just expert overconfidence but general overconfidence,
is one of the most common illusions we experience. Stan Robinson
Post Reply