Conservative party/opposition watch

[UndercoverElephant]

Nadine Dorries calls for a general election in the Telegraph: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... lection%2F#

And she backed Truss in the leadership election. Still think I am being naive, AnotherExLurker?

[Mark]

The Tories have made a right horlix of running this country, considering that they were elected with a huge majority, so could do pretty much what they liked for 5 years.

Instead, we've had the shambles of Brexit (still unresolved), followed by the shambles of COVID (print loads of money), followed by the shambles of BoJo being booted out by his own party, followed now by this shambles.... The only period of relative stability was the 3 months when we effectively had no government at all as they took chunks out of each other during a leadership election or mourned for the Queen...

We defo need a GE, but I don't see it on the cards myself....
But who really knows what the future holds in store ?

[anotherexlurker]

Nadine Dorries calls for a general election in the Telegraph: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... lection%2F#

And she backed Truss in the leadership election. Still think I am being naive, AnotherExLurker?

I don't think naive is a strong enough word to sum up your complete lack of understanding of the situation.
Its very clear to me that you are still in la la land , but I'm not wasting any more of my time trying to explain what should be bleeding obvious.

Lets see in say 3 months time who is correct, I still stick by my statement that rather than vote for a general election the current Tory MP's are much more likely to throw Truss under a bus and try something else. Truss might still be leader in 3 months time as currently the various shots across the bow
seem to be having the desired affect.

[Potemkin Villager]

The audience shots in the television coverage of the tory love in in tell their own story.
Excitement peaked during Coffey's dirge of a "speech" - the usual scowls and grimaces of pain
and quite a few folk who had either fallen fast asleep or passed on to the great conference in the sky.

The overall atmosphere seems pretty desperate with people unconvincingly trying to look and sound
busy and engaged whilst quietly screaming. An awful amount of dashing about trying to avoid the press.

I doubt if the great leader's gig tomorrow will have them dancing in the aisles.

[UndercoverElephant]

Nadine Dorries calls for a general election in the Telegraph: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... lection%2F#

And she backed Truss in the leadership election. Still think I am being naive, AnotherExLurker?

I don't think naive is a strong enough word to sum up your complete lack of understanding of the situation.
Its very clear to me that you are still in la la land , but I'm not wasting any more of my time trying to explain what should be bleeding obvious.

You are calling me in la-la land to say some tory MPs will go for an election rather than be associated with these policies, then Nadine Dorries MP calls for an election, and all you do is repeat that I am in la-la land? What you think is obvious is not quite as simple as you make it out to be.

Lets see in say 3 months time who is correct, I still stick by my statement that rather than vote for a general election the current Tory MP's are much more likely to throw Truss under a bus and try something else. Truss might still be leader in 3 months time as currently the various shots across the bow
seem to be having the desired affect.

I did not predict a general election, let alone in the next 3 months. I said I believe it is possible, that is all.

[BritDownUnder]

The Tories have made a right horlix of running this country, considering that they were elected with a huge majority, so could do pretty much what they liked for 5 years.

With the greatest respect I think Labour made an equally bad horlix (never heard that one before) of running the place, just that they had much better PR (Lord Mandelson), a better economy pre-GFC and more North Sea Oil production and receipts to mask the failures. They failed to invest materially in national resilient infrastructure and failed to address the issues with the EU. Iraq War anyone? Mass immigration?

I do agree though that the word shambolic does suit BoJo quite well.

[Catweazle]

MP's are not going to vote themselves out of a job now, we are approaching a new economic system, in which the nest-feathering becomes more and more blatant. Nobody on the inside is going to leave voluntarily.

[BritDownUnder]

MP's are not going to vote themselves out of a job now, we are approaching a new economic system, in which the nest-feathering becomes more and more blatant. Nobody on the inside is going to leave voluntarily.

I could imagine there might be a few fracking company boards that have seats to be filled in the near future.

Or they could go to the House of Lords.

Probably quite a good pension scheme too.

Labour might get in after the next GE but like in Australia they might find they can't spend like drunken sailors anymore as there is no more money to spend. It's all gone! Gone I say.

[Potemkin Villager]

I am struck by the stunning silence from members of the Anti Growth Coalition on this forum
following the great leader of the UK's speech in Brum yesterdy.

So its growth, growth and growth! What's not to like?

[Catweazle]

I am struck by the stunning silence from members of the Anti Growth Coalition on this forum

All too busy digging vegetable patches and bunkers ?

[Potemkin Villager]

I am struck by the stunning silence from members of the Anti Growth Coalition on this forum

All too busy digging vegetable patches and bunkers ?

I was rather concerned before the tory love in am now shitting bricks.

How is it possible to get it wrong on so many levels?

[kenneal - lagger]

All the parties will say that they are going for growth just not quite as messianically as a Tory might!

It doesn't surprise me one bit as the entire government machine is geared to growth and a change of party won't change that. Even many so called environmentalists are quite convinced that we can have growth in the economy without a physical growth in material use. One even told me at a recent local Green Event that anyone who believed what David Attenborough said about economists believing in continual growth in a finite environment being mad must be mad themselves! He, unfortunately, is a government adviser but he will be heckled unmercifully by me in future.

[Potemkin Villager]

Even many so called environmentalists are quite convinced that we can have growth in the economy without a physical growth in material use.

I always thought this is called inflation! On the other hand an environmental case might be made for inflation on the basis that making things more un-affordable will lead to reduced consumption of scarce and polluting resources.

I agree all parties are singing from the same hymn sheet without understanding, or more likely pretending not to understand, the consequences. Labour seem to be cosying up to various City lobbyists, trade bodies like Energy UK etc, so I am not expecting much change should they come in to power.

For the tories the immediate problem is, whatever way you might look at it or think about them, that the tax changes proposed seem rather unlikely to deliver the significant outcomes they keep banging on about and this can not have gone unnoticed by the city WE ARE DODGY spivs.

[Mark]

Even many so called environmentalists are quite convinced that we can have growth in the economy without a physical growth in material use.

Agreed, but there is also still so much waste and unnecessary usage in western societies.... for example, the person I know who ripped up perfectly good wooden flooring which had only been down 3yrs because it was 'brown' and she now wants the room 'grey'.... plus the new sofa which also has to go (only 9 months old) and the light fittings too....

This is the type of 'growth' I hate...., whilst some people are struggling over a choice to heat or eat....

[kenneal - lagger]

The problem for growth advocates is that there are only so many useful things that a person can buy so consumer tat is necessary to fuel growth. Changes in fashion and redundancy are required to keep mass production and growth going. Hence your hated wasteful consumption, Mark. Waste is essential to fuel growth as we have a limited requirement for essentials.

Waste is also encouraged by the availability of cheap materials and energy while wage rates are relatively high. As material and energy costs rise the intensive for waste will reduce and companies are more likely to go over to batch production. I believe that many furniture manufacturers work on the basis of batch production and only make stuff that has been ordered. That is what we found when we ordered new settees after about 15 years use of the previous ones as there was a 4 or 5 month wait for delivery of our new ones.