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Agreed, I don't think Labour should keep Starmer 'til the next election but the Labour Party is looking impossible for anyone to unite, even against Johnson's clusterfuck of an administration. Who'd want the job, who could do it?

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The picture is very different, depending where you look.....

Southern shires - solid Tory - may lose a few to LDs in a GE
Midlands/North - big move from Labour to Tory
Major English cities - seem to be staying Labour
Scotland - solid SNP
Wales - drift away from Labour in no clear direction
NI - Unionism in chaos - new DUP leader quits after 3 weeks

I can't see anyone stopping the Tories next time, despite the current corrupt shambles of a government.
It needs an upturn in Labour fortunes (unlikely) and even then it would probably need a coalition of Labour/SNP/LD/Plaid

In the meantime, BAU and the inexorable move towards the break-up of the UK continues....
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Mark wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:18 am ................
In the meantime, BAU and the inexorable move towards the break-up of the UK continues....
The main SNP condition on joining a coalition would be an immediate referendum on leaving and if they won that referendum the coalition would lose a good proportion of its support leading to a vote of no confidence and probably another Tory government. It's only Scotland that has kept Labour governments in power most of the time so if Scotland leaves the Union Labour and the other Parties will find things very hard.

If the SNP were denied their referendum and a minority government was formed I suspect that they would make the country ungovernable until they got their way.
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UndercoverElephant wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:10 pm John Bercow joins Labour: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836
Two ex-Labour councillors - including former deputy leader - join Rochdale Tories:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... g-20851475

It depends where you look..., these minor defections always happen....
The broader point is that Labour is in a massive hole with no clear way out.
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kenneal - lagger wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:30 pm The main SNP condition on joining a coalition would be an immediate referendum on leaving and if they won that referendum the coalition would lose a good proportion of its support leading to a vote of no confidence and probably another Tory government. It's only Scotland that has kept Labour governments in power most of the time so if Scotland leaves the Union Labour and the other Parties will find things very hard.

If the SNP were denied their referendum and a minority government was formed I suspect that they would make the country ungovernable until they got their way.
Which is another reason why Labour is in a massive pickle.
The conditions for Scottish resentment have been laid over many years by the Tories - Poll Tax, Nuclear bases, Oil revenues & Brexit to name just 4
However, the only way back to power for Labour might end up with them being left to carry the can for any break-up.

The LibDems did a deal with the devil to get into power and look what happened to them...
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Mark wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:18 am The picture is very different, depending where you look.....

In the meantime, BAU and the inexorable move towards the break-up of the UK continues....
Yep - the DUP's efforts to circumvent the laws of thermodynamics and locally reverse the flow
of time are proving problematic - even they are realising they have no friends anywhere for some
strange reason.

Tony Blur can be slagged off for lots of things but he did a huge amount of good in Ireland. Starmer does not
seem to have any of Blur"s imagination which suits him to be a lawyer but not a politician and certainly not a party leader.

Who would want the job?
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Andy Burnham has potential, and he's proactive on the environment too...
Seems Labour's best option to me, but of course, he's not currently an MP....
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Mark wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:41 pm Andy Burnham has potential, and he's proactive on the environment too...
Seems Labour's best option to me, but of course, he's not currently an MP....
Another strong performance by Andy Burnham on Question Time tonight....
Stated he's going to complete his 2nd term as Mayor of Greater Manchester, so not available for another 4yrs
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Breaking news, Labour hold Batley and Spen but with a much reduced majority.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57691543
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adam2 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:33 am Breaking news, Labour hold Batley and Spen but with a much reduced majority.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57691543
This is a really difficult seat to draw conclusions from, partly because of its history with Jo Cox and partly because George Galloway was standing. I think if Labour had lost it then Starmer would have been in immediate trouble. This buys him a bit of breathing space, but not much more than that.
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Breathing space is fair enough but there is no sign of him using it.
You would think he enjoys being leader of the opposition and is
working to an agenda to keep it that way.
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Would be interesting to know the viewing figures for Keir Starmer's 'Life Story' chat with Piers Morgan....
Bet it wasn't too many...., would have been like watching paint dry...
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