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[kenneal - lagger]

Think about Iraq, there have been over a million excess deaths (mainly citizens),

Most of those have been killed by other Iraqis; Sunnis killing Shias and Shias killing Sunnis. If we hadn't invaded it would have carried on with Saddam's Sunnis killing Shias and Kurds and probably Iranians as well.

[Blue Peter]

Think about Iraq, there have been over a million excess deaths (mainly citizens),

Most of those have been killed by other Iraqis; Sunnis killing Shias and Shias killing Sunnis. If we hadn't invaded it would have carried on with Saddam's Sunnis killing Shias and Kurds and probably Iranians as well.

I'm not sure that's true. This is a quote from Les Roberts discussing the first Lancet study:

“I understand that you feel that the sample was small: this is most puzzling. 142 post-invasion deaths in 988 households is a lot of deaths, and for the setting, a lot of interviews. There is no statistical doubt mortality is up, no doubt that violence is the main cause, and no doubt that the coalition forces have caused far more of these violent deaths than the insurgents (p<.0000001).

Taken from:

MediaLens

Though later, there was more factional killing, there is also the problem that these factions were not always independent of the USUK forces.

Either way, the statistics refer to "excess deaths", that is deaths over and above the baseline operating before the war started. So, they wouldn't have happened without the war (all other things being equal). And, following the Nuremburg doctrine, all these detahs therefore sit squarely upon our heads,


Peter.