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So what does everyone think of the latest COP, given the fact it's being hosted in a top oil producer nation, presided over by the president of the UAEs national oil company?

I guess the answer is 'not a lot'?

Still, it was quite funny seeing the COP president come out swinging in that surprise press conference yesterday, saying that 'without fossil fuels we'll be going back into caves '

It is proof, for those who still held out any hope, that national government's world wide, when confronted with a choice of economic limits, or the long term survival of billions of people, will without any qualms condemn billions of people to death.

I have stopped taking any notice of COP conferences. When India unilaterally changed "phase out coal" to "phase down coal" at the last moment at the end of COP26 it really was all over. It made a mockery of the entire proceedings and all future COP conferences, because from that moment onwards it is assumed everybody is negotiating in bad faith. I believe that is why Alok Sharma was reduced to tears.

CO2 emissions from fossil fuels hit a new record high in 2023, but my hunch is that we are pretty close to peak emissions now. The most significant contribution to the peaking will be US oil production falling over the coming decade, and the associated high prices depressing the global economy.

clv101 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2023, 14:21 CO2 emissions from fossil fuels hit a new record high in 2023, but my hunch is that we are pretty close to peak emissions now. The most significant contribution to the peaking will be US oil production falling over the coming decade, and the associated high prices depressing the global economy.

Hope abounds on the US peaking thing. Again. Didn't someone use the US once as a wonderful peak oil example and become famous getting it wrong? Anyway, until someone does a decent $/bbl analysis of the Texas ROZ though, we'll have to wait to see. After the 1979 global peak oil, the consequence of high prices didn't last long...and became known as the go-go 80's.

As far as COPXX, it is all a circle jerk. I only noticed how ridiculous it was in COP21 when victory was declared in Paris, many acolytes using their per diems to be there, get some good selfies on someone else's dime, revel in a victory that didn't exist.

And by COP28 the oil company executives are running it. The irony in that one.

US, UK and others say they will not sign the current draft of COP28 statement, which makes no mention of phasing out oil and gas. Who would have expected that of an event hosted by a major oil and gas exporter?

COP28 will be hosted by Turkmenistan.

Ralphw2 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023, 05:46 COP28 will be hosted by Turkmenistan.

I say they should beg off and just let Saudi Arabia host it. I'll bet they can put on a helluva selfie taking party for the delegates to pretend they are doing something while on their per diems. They could build an entire city just like other Arab countries did for the World Cup to seal the deal.

Ralphw2 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023, 05:46 COP28 will be hosted by Turkmenistan.

A great pity the first great horseman was not still alive to see that. I actually thought it was Azerbaijan but maybe I need to get my hearing and/or eyesight tested.

Or maybe I do - I have always got my Stans confused, I suspect Turkmenistan is just too out there to host COP. Azerbaijan is a more mainstream oil producing nation, not quite in the North Korea or Belarus league.

Will not make the slightest bit of difference to anything at all. The COP agreements follow what individual nations are already prepared to do, rather than driving any significant change. Final agreement to stop burning fossil fuels will come at around the time it ceases to be financially worthwhile to continue exploratory drilling.

UndercoverElephant wrote: ↑14 Dec 2023, 09:21 Will not make the slightest bit of difference to anything at all. The COP agreements follow what individual nations are already prepared to do, rather than driving any significant change. Final agreement to stop burning fossil fuels will come at around the time it ceases to be financially worthwhile to stop exploratory drilling.

I agree - although as long as fossil fuels can be got from the ground the military and to a lesser extent emergency services will continue to use them.

Amusingly ‘Just Stop Oil’ protesters glue themselves with a petrochemical based adhesive to bitumen road surfaces wearing oil derived clothing coloured by oil derived dyes.