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The geologist's view
Posted: 25 Jun 2011, 15:38
by biffvernon
Brian Lovell, President of the London Geological Society, talking about the geologist's view of global warming.
http://ecopreservationsociety.org/site/ ... e-concern-
Not climate models, just the rock solid evidence.
He's talking about the Geol. Soc.'s Position Statement from last November:
http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/views/pol ... e7426.html
Posted: 25 Jun 2011, 20:18
by An Inspector Calls
biffvernon wrote:Don Easterbrook? Don't make me laugh!
Brian Lovell? Don't make me laugh!
Posted: 25 Jun 2011, 23:29
by Andy Hunt
The rock tells no lies.
Just ask Ozzy Osbourne.
Posted: 26 Jun 2011, 03:00
by kenneal - lagger
Shell would be interested in CCS. They stand to make a lot of money out of it. CCS is OK for countries that have drilled for oil but what about the ones that haven't; where do they put all their CO2?
Can't see it happening, myself. I will be too costly and make us uncompetitive. That will be the excuse. Anyway the economy will go t*ts up before CCS gets going.
Posted: 26 Jun 2011, 03:24
by Andy Hunt
Gas has a habit of escaping, as anyone who has ever tried to stop it can testify.
Posted: 26 Jun 2011, 09:32
by biffvernon
The important bit about Lovell's position is not his stuff on CCS (too little, too late and fraught with problems) but that he presents the case for AGW based geology and quite independently from the work of climate scientists. It's this corroboration that makes the case for AGW doubly watertight.
Posted: 26 Jun 2011, 17:02
by An Inspector Calls
Well, perhaps it helps the case for AGW, perhaps it doesn't. Ignoring Lovell's little polemic, looking at the BGS statement:
During warmings from glacial to interglacial, temperature and CO2 rose together for several thousand years, although the best estimate from the end of the last glacial is that the temperature probably started to rise a few centuries before the CO2 showed any reaction. Palaeoclimatologists think that initial warming driven by changes in the Earth’s orbit and axial tilt eventually caused CO2 to be released from the warming ocean and thus, via positive feedback, to reinforce the temperature rise already in train.
Re: The geologist's view
Posted: 27 Jun 2011, 03:09
by RGR
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Posted: 27 Jun 2011, 07:27
by biffvernon
The trolls are hunting in packs now they know the game's up.
Michael Klare posted a piece with links to some good stuff on
http://www.tomdispatch.com/ yesterday.
Posted: 27 Jun 2011, 08:17
by An Inspector Calls
Fully in the spirit of your last, and many previous posts:
biffvernon wrote:Don Easterbrook? Don't make me laugh!
Michael Klare? Don't make me laugh![/quote]
Posted: 27 Jun 2011, 09:25
by clv101
I had the opportunity to have dinner with Klare a while back, he's great guy. Had a clearer idea what was going on in the world back a decade ago when he wrote Resource Wars (2002) than many posting on Power Switch do today. I'd still recommend Resource Wars to anyone thinking about geopolitics in an increasingly resource constrained world.