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Cost of natural disasters soars - Munich Re

Posted: 04 Jan 2011, 20:11
by raspberry-blower
The number of weather-related natural disasters soared last year, providing "further evidence of advancing climate change", according to a major report from one of the world's leading reinsurance firms.

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The costs are not just financial, either :(

Posted: 04 Jan 2011, 20:16
by emordnilap
One for you, MacG. :lol:

There are records broken every year for increased weather-related insurance claims, numbers of climate-related incidents, climate-related deaths and so on. No, we're having absolutely no effect on the climate whatsoever. :roll:

Posted: 04 Jan 2011, 20:40
by JohnB
Whatever the cause, and whether it's man made or natural, these events are having an effect on our way of life. We have a system that depends on stable weather that is like it was when the system was created. It doesn't seem to be resilient enough to cope with these changes.

Being a climate change denier (or whatever they want to be called), is about avoidance. We still need to at least adapt the system to cope with changes that we, and the insurance companies, have observed. Growing a long neck and closely examining what goes on under sand isn't a very good solution!

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 09:31
by stumuzz
JohnB wrote:Whatever the cause, and whether it's man made or natural, these events are having an effect on our way of life. We have a system that depends on stable weather that is like it was when the system was created. It doesn't seem to be resilient enough to cope with these changes.

Being a climate change denier (or whatever they want to be called), is about avoidance. We still need to at least adapt the system to cope with changes that we, and the insurance companies, have observed. Growing a long neck and closely examining what goes on under sand isn't a very good solution!
What effect are they having on my way of life? I haven’t noticed any. Also, if I am a climate denier what am I avoiding?

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 11:26
by DominicJ
emordnilap wrote:There are records broken every year for increased weather-related insurance claims, numbers of climate-related incidents, climate-related deaths and so on. No, we're having absolutely no effect on the climate whatsoever.
Building on flood plains and cutting snow ploughs has no effect obviously...

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 11:41
by emordnilap
stumuzz wrote:What effect are they having on my way of life? I haven’t noticed any.
Do you live in Africa? South Asia? Bangladesh?

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 11:58
by JohnB
stumuzz wrote:What effect are they having on my way of life? I haven’t noticed any. Also, if I am a climate denier what am I avoiding?
Parts of Britain have experienced some pretty life changing flooding recently, and most of it unusually cold and snowy weather that has disrupted modern life. These may be short term, but the system seems to grind to a halt because of it.

I was talking about avoidance, as in knowing something ought to be done, but finding excuses for not doing it.

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 16:36
by eatyourveg
stumuzz wrote:
JohnB wrote:Whatever the cause, and whether it's man made or natural, these events are having an effect on our way of life. We have a system that depends on stable weather that is like it was when the system was created. It doesn't seem to be resilient enough to cope with these changes.

Being a climate change denier (or whatever they want to be called), is about avoidance. We still need to at least adapt the system to cope with changes that we, and the insurance companies, have observed. Growing a long neck and closely examining what goes on under sand isn't a very good solution!
What effect are they having on my way of life? I haven’t noticed any. Also, if I am a climate denier what am I avoiding?
Unfair comment Stumuzz, as a Land Rover owner you can cope with any situation and not realise it was/is a situation 8)

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 17:34
by JohnB
People are complaining because their bins haven't been emptied for a few weeks because of the snow. If they can't cope with a minor inconvenience like that, the system isn't exactly resilient enough to cope with even tiny changes in climate, whatever the cause.

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 17:43
by emordnilap
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Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 20:45
by Andy Hunt
Stumuzz="I'm all right, Jack"

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 21:25
by stumuzz
eatyourveg wrote:
Unfair comment Stumuzz, as a Land Rover owner you can cope with any situation and not realise it was/is a situation 8)
No, a defender is a PO necessity! :D :D

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 21:27
by stumuzz
Andy Hunt wrote:Stumuzz="I'm all right, Jack"
As was my neighbours and most of the village I spoke to. Pub opened, postman delivered, bins got emptied, recycling taken away and work carried on. All twenty guests arrived at my house for Christmas dinner and games.

But I ask the same question again. What effect is CC having on these multifarious people of my village and what are they avoiding?

Posted: 05 Jan 2011, 23:11
by Andy Hunt
That wouldn't be the global village you refer to then, eh.

Posted: 06 Jan 2011, 01:57
by JohnB
stumuzz wrote:But I ask the same question again. What effect is CC having on these multifarious people of my village and what are they avoiding?
Not directly weather related, but haven't they noticed birds migrating and plants flowering at different times to what they have been used to for most of their lives? Climate change isn't expected to have the same effect everywhere in the world. If you happen to live in a part that doesn't seem to be affected by it, are you saying that's a reason not to do anything, even if many are suffering in other places?