flood watch

[snow hope]

Weather caused the floods sixty years ago, Snow, and if these floods were a "once in 60/100 years event" they would be weather as well. But when these once in 60/100 year events start happening every other year that is climate and it's changing.

I fellow MSc course member from CAT has been working in Pakistan for a number of years now with a flood relief team and they have been looking at ways to "harden" the local mud brick houses to make them more flood resistant because they are having to rebuild them every few years. They are not used to having to do this or the local vernacular would be wooden houses on stilts not mud brick. They are even going to the extreme of creating islands with tree root hardened edges to raise their houses and, almost as importantly, their sewage systems above the flood level.

I would suggest this is more due to de-forestation of the surrounding mountainous regions, extensive change of land use by the large and increasing local populations for food and business as well as increased building of homes on flood plains...... check into it a bit more and I think you will see this is all going on and worsening the flood problems.

[emordnilap]

I would suggest this is more due to the excessive moisture rising from the Arabian Sea. This is what is worsening the flood problems, especially when combined with deforestation and land use changes.

[biffvernon]

I doubt Biff will either.

Quite correct.

Now shall we try to work out just which variety of cheese the Moon is made of?

Plonker

So what, dear snowhope, will induce you to try to understand climate science?

[vtsnowedin]

Phoenix Arizona had a gully washer yesterday. Three plus inches of rain water in just seven hours in a flat desert basin. Two dead plus hundreds of cars waterlogged and useless. It was leftovers from a tropical storm in the Pacific coming up from the Mexican coast.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/09/us/arizona-flooding/

[kenneal - lagger]

An increase in severe weather events is one of the predictions of Climate Change so no surprises there.

[emordnilap]

It's called global warming.

The temperature is rising.

It has risen.

More energy in the atmosphere.

More water in the atmosphere. Hence the floods.

Deforestation, land use changes etc do not create floods, only exacerbate the effects.

It's all quite simple, really, despite the complexities of climate.

Denying it is one way of absolving yourself of the need to do anything, of pretending you have no part in causing it.

[snow hope]

Quite correct.

Now shall we try to work out just which variety of cheese the Moon is made of?

Plonker

So what, dear snowhope, will induce you to try to understand climate science?

As all can see from the 'cheese moon' reference and many of your other posts, you can be rather condescending, disrespectful, belligerent and zealous in attitude Biff. I know you think you are right about everything, but a bit of graciousness in your arguments would go a long way - none of us knows everything......

I have made my views on climate change clear in the past. I think the majority of it is natural and a minority of it is anthropogenic. These are my personal and considered views based on 15 years of interest and amateur active engagement with various aspects of the climate change debate, including making and recording my own weather measurements for the last 13 years using an AWS and indeed analysis of one of the longest weather records in the world (going back to 1794) from Armagh Planetarium, http://climate.arm.ac.uk/

I am gracious enough to accept I may be wrong and that climate change may be caused by man with a 95% likelihood as stated by the IPCC. But I know a very small number of climate scientists who are also sceptical of the state of the science and predictions made by the IPCC and others, with respect to man's involvement in changing the climate of our planet.

You can poo-poo me all you want, but I remain sceptical of the extent of AGW, until I am convinced otherwise.

[kenneal - lagger]

Have you looked at the Real Climate website, Snow? They are Climate Scientists to a man and answer any question that you could ever want answered.

[snow hope]

Yes, I am familiar with that site Ken. It is a pretty good site, but of course all the climate scientists who contribute to that site believe strongly in AGW and this clearly shines through. Thanks for the link though.

[RenewableCandy]

I don't read the NASA sites any more because they all believe in the Theory of Gravity.

[snow hope]

Yea, they all believe in Santa Claus too....

[emordnilap]

I don't read the NASA sites any more because they all believe in the Theory of Gravity.

[RenewableCandy]

Yea, they all believe in Santa Claus too....

That's not NASA that's NORAD

[Catweazle]

Yes, I am familiar with that site Ken. It is a pretty good site, but of course all the climate scientists who contribute to that site believe strongly in AGW and this clearly shines through. Thanks for the link though.

This reminds me of an old post about BBC coverage " Balance", the basics of which are that if they interview 100 climate scientists and 99 of them support the AGW theory, then for "balance" they broadcast one of the 99 and the other 1.

[RenewableCandy]

I like the one about Antiques Roadshow having to interview someone who doesn't believe in chairs