flood watch

[emordnilap]

Tantamount to attempted genocide.

Israel = war criminals.

Despair is an understandable response on the part of the viewer. The Israeli spokespeople bring on a feeling of nausea in this viewer.

[Tarrel]

You say plow, I say plough.

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I'm sorry that you are stuck throwing in letters that you haven’t pronounced in centuries. A combination of the legacy of, William the conqueror, and your proximity to France it is time you moved on. Just think of all that wasted printer ink and paper consumed by those unnecessary letters.

If we changed Plough to Plow, then we'd have to change Slough to Slow, which would be terribly confusing on the road signs.

Actually, a friend from East Anglia (whose name is Plowman) told me that Plow is the Anglo-saxon spelling and Plough is Norman.

[woodburner]

You say plow, I say plough.

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I'm sorry that you are stuck throwing in letters that you haven’t pronounced in centuries. A combination of the legacy of, William the conqueror, and your proximity to France it is time you moved on. Just think of all that wasted printer ink and paper consumed by those unnecessary letters.

If we changed Plough to Plow, then we'd have to change Slough to Slow, which would be terribly confusing on the road signs.

Actually, a friend from East Anglia (whose name is Plowman) told me that Plow is the Anglo-saxon spelling and Plough is Norman.

We should get rid of those other Norman words too. Enough - enuf, through - threw, though - tho, etc. We could have a great time playing with words.

[biffvernon]

Vernon is a Norman word. We came over with the conkerer.

But back on topic, I've been carefully studying high tide lines on the Lincolnshire coast. That tidal surge recently was really very close to the top of the sea defences, yet it was far from the perfect storm.

[Tarrel]

I'm sorry that you are stuck throwing in letters that you haven’t pronounced in centuries. A combination of the legacy of, William the conqueror, and your proximity to France it is time you moved on. Just think of all that wasted printer ink and paper consumed by those unnecessary letters.

If we changed Plough to Plow, then we'd have to change Slough to Slow, which would be terribly confusing on the road signs.

Actually, a friend from East Anglia (whose name is Plowman) told me that Plow is the Anglo-saxon spelling and Plough is Norman.

We should get rid of those other Norman words too. Enough - enuf, through - threw, though - tho, etc. We could have a great time playing with words.

Hmm..fiddling while Rome burns, perhaps. Playing with the English language while our civilisation heads for Armageddon. (I stand guilty as charged )

[Tarrel]

Vernon is a Norman word. We came over with the conkerer.

But back on topic, I've been carefully studying high tide lines on the Lincolnshire coast. That tidal surge recently was really very close to the top of the sea defences, yet it was far from the perfect storm.

Hope your ancestors wore the requisite eye-protection while playing their conkers ('elf 'n safety and all that).

I also heard about the tidal surge. What's the answer, I wonder? Raise the sea defences, or let nature take its course and move everything back from the coast a mile or so? In the big scheme of things this wouldn't be a huge loss in land area for the country, but it might protect vulnerable areas from future sea level rises by taking action now, while we have the capital and economic activity to do so.

[RenewableCandy]

Hope your ancestors wore the requisite eye-protection while playing their conkers ('elf 'n safety and all that).

Apparently the opposition didn't

[biffvernon]

I also heard about the tidal surge. What's the answer, I wonder? Raise the sea defences, or let nature take its course and move everything back from the coast a mile or so? In the big scheme of things this wouldn't be a huge loss in land area for the country, but it might protect vulnerable areas from future sea level rises by taking action now, while we have the capital and economic activity to do so.

Yes, all of that. Earlier this year a wall about 1.2m high was built around a particularly vulnerable section near me where a river goes into the sea through sea gates, that open at low tide and close at high tide. Curiously, a lot of locals did not approve the building of the wall saying that it would look ugly and it's/ never flooded there (since 1953). I rather think that some of our neighbours think that the Environment Agency is the spawn of the Devil and all it's works must be opposed. The EA, always ready to get on the right side of folks, made the wall very expensive by covering the necessary concrete with smart facing bricks and a stone cap to make it look nice. Anyway, the tide got to within 0.6m of the top, well above the level that would have flooded many houses had the surge happened a year before while folk were arguing about the wall's appearance.

In another location near me, the sea bank has been built anew back inland providing an extra 40 hectares of saltmarsh under a scheme of managed retreat. But there's no houses there. In Boston, towards the south of Lincolnshire's coast, a major flood protection scheme is at the design stage. Too late for the homes that were flooded there last week.

Generally, the value of the land assets and the cost of engineering works, makes it economically viable to build the sea defences higher into the future for a long time. Ultimately, the maps will need to be redrawn.

[vtsnowedin]

My beef with the climate alarmists is that no matter how many resources are turned to mitigating the effects of climate change or removing mans input to the causes of climate change it will be a futile effort and no improvement can be reasonably expected.
The real problem is the steady growth in the human population to a point that already is far beyond the earth’s ability to sustain us. If you solve the population problem then the climate problem will solve itself. Solve every climate problem and you will still have the population problem staring you in the face and the climate and food supply problems will reappear with renewed force one generation later.

[biffvernon]

The problem with that, vt. is that it's wrong.

If all the world's population got abducted by aliens, never to return again, the tippings points already past and lags into the future mean that the ice will continue melting and sea level continue to rise.

If any do get left behind by the aliens they will have no choice but to mitigate the damage by building bigger sea defences and adapt to the new geography by moving uphill.



The rest of the AR5 in 17 illustrated haikus is at http://daily.sightline.org/2013/12/16/t ... ted-haiku/

[vtsnowedin]

The problem with that, vt. is that it's wrong.

If all the world's population got abducted by aliens, never to return again, the tippings points already past and lags into the future mean that the ice will continue melting and sea level continue to rise.

If any do get left behind by the aliens they will have no choice but to mitigate the damage by building bigger sea defences and adapt to the new geography by moving uphill.



The rest of the AR5 in 17 illustrated haikus is at http://daily.sightline.org/2013/12/16/t ... ted-haiku/

So You feel I'm wrong and your solution involves alien abductions of the entire world population? If the population of humans was gone by whatever means what would it matter if sea level rose even 300 feet? Not at all as there would be none left to care.
Again if the tipping points have already been crossed and the seas will rise then what value can anyone realize by fighting it? Better to just start moving uphill now if your close. At 1700 feet I think I'll just sit where I am and stock up on popcorn.

[RenewableCandy]

Erm a lot of trees etc and the animals that live in them, would probably be very upset!

Meanwhile, I used to think like you (vt) about population but the subject of my ire has moved on: there exists a tranche of people who, numbering in their mere 100s, own and "earn" more than the total of billions of the rest of us. Yes even the moderately-rich thee and me.

Given that ecological damage is very roughly proportional to money, it is these people whom we should be addressing, not the sheer numbers of everybody.

[woodburner]

The problem with that, vt. is that it's wrong.

If all the world's population got abducted by aliens, never to return again, the tippings points already past and lags into the future mean that the ice will continue melting and sea level continue to rise.

If any do get left behind by the aliens they will have no choice but to mitigate the damage by building bigger sea defences and adapt to the new geography by moving uphill.

Rubbish, they just have to move to higher ground, sea defences won't be needed. There will be plenty of space available as the rest have been removed from the planet.

[biffvernon]

So You feel I'm wrong and your solution involves alien abductions of the entire world population? If the population of humans was gone by whatever means what would it matter if sea level rose even 300 feet? Not at all as there would be none left to care.
Again if the tipping points have already been crossed and the seas will rise then what value can anyone realize by fighting it? Better to just start moving uphill now if your close. At 1700 feet I think I'll just sit where I am and stock up on popcorn.

Er, I wasn't offering a solution, just pointing out that sea level will continue to rise whatever we do or even if we weren't here to do anything. We've most likely already added sufficient greenhouse gas to kick the Ice sheets out of equilibrium.

Mitigation measures such as improved sea defences are really important to those of us who live close to sea level and plan to stay put for the rest of their live and hope their children can inherit their land. This includes the populations of many of the world's largest cities and most densely populated and fertile agricultural lands. The 'fight' will be well worth the effort for at least the next century since the cost of engineering is low in relation to the assets protected. Eventually it will come to nought but that won't be for a long time.

[woodburner]

So putting all these sea defences, presumably made from concrete? Don't you think it a bit ironic you are suggesting the use of a high embedded energy product just so you can maintain your lifestyle?