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Would have been more like it to steal a digger and dig up the pavement outside Shell HQ.
What they actually did was a bit silly and can't see how it would have gone down well with anyone.
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I agree, childish and relatively minor vandalism that seems unlikely to win them any support.
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More brainwashing brought to you by the BBC

https://twitter.com/bbcstudiospress/sta ... 15681?s=21
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More Brainwashing for you courtesy of the Heartland Institute. Lovely bunch of people and about time someone stood up to the creature that is Greta, who is clearly a. a lizard person and b. a flat earth proponent.

Another young person Naomi Seibt, plainly acting on her own cognisance and with no support from her elders, dishes it out to the evil Greta.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... te-sceptic

Go Naomi, Team Apoplectic older bloke is right there with you! You have all the answers.
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Little John wrote:More brainwashing brought to you by the BBC

https://twitter.com/bbcstudiospress/sta ... 15681?s=21
Certainly is brainwashing. Though the having a go at Greta is not helpful She has problems not of her own making, and needs some care and help, not as her abusive (or ignorant) parents are doing, and using her as a useful idiot.

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The only "useful idiot" that I have noticed around here is that troll from the Heartland Institute and supporter of other idiots such as Monckton, our very own woodburner.

He who quotes us scientific reasoning from Youtube, can't find any of the supposed 3% of Climate Scientists who deny Global Warming/Climate Change/Global Heating, what ever you want to call it, and supports almost any conspiracy theory going as if every one who has studied anything has an agenda and is wrong while he who has studied nothing in depth is right on all things.

That's modern day life on the internet for you.
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I again met several local XR supporters, socially distant of course.

I remain impressed by their commitment and concerns about climate change.

Unfortunately, I was much less impressed by a general lack of basic scientific knowledge especially WRT fuel, energy, and power. I refer here not to specialist or degree level knowledge, but to only a little beyond common sense and at most GCSE O level physics and chemistry.

In particular a lack of basic knowledge of the carbon cycle, whereby carbon is cycled through natural processes. Not able to appreciate the difference between carbon dioxide from by fermenting beer, and that from combustion of fossil fuels.

At least two supporters admitted to the purchase of magic energy saving devices.
One believed that a "unit" of electricity is smaller than in the past.
And another had blown up a 12 volt public address system by connecting it direct to a large PV module, without a battery.
And numerous other myths and misunderstandings too tedious to repeat.

Commitment is good, but should be accompanied by a bit more knowledge.
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adam2 wrote:I again met several local XR supporters, socially distant of course.

I remain impressed by their commitment and concerns about climate change.

Unfortunately, I was much less impressed by a general lack of basic scientific knowledge especially WRT fuel, energy, and power. I refer here not to specialist or degree level knowledge, but to only a little beyond common sense and at most GCSE O level physics and chemistry.

In particular a lack of basic knowledge of the carbon cycle, whereby carbon is cycled through natural processes. Not able to appreciate the difference between carbon dioxide from by fermenting beer, and that from combustion of fossil fuels.

At least two supporters admitted to the purchase of magic energy saving devices.
One believed that a "unit" of electricity is smaller than in the past.
And another had blown up a 12 volt public address system by connecting it direct to a large PV module, without a battery.
And numerous other myths and misunderstandings too tedious to repeat.

Commitment is good, but should be accompanied by a bit more knowledge.
That problem comes from the top down. Roger "All mammals are herd animals" Hallam is no scientist.
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If anybody is interested in the more fruity end of XR.... https://new.reddit.com/r/xrmed/ (*rmed).
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https://nypost.com/2021/02/04/greta-thu ... st-tweets/

Greta thunberg accidentally reveals she was told what to tweet on Indian farmers revolt.

"The 18-year-old left-wing eco-activist shared — and then quickly deleted — a message that detailed a list of “suggested posts” about the ongoing protests..."
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Extinction rebellion protesters acquitted by jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853979

Despite the instructions of the judge.
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adam2 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:07 pm Extinction rebellion protesters acquitted by jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853979

Despite the instructions of the judge.
If the UK had stronger civil laws of compensation it would have been better to sue these people in civil court for the cost of the damages.

Then imprison them or seize their property, pensions or welfare payments they don't fix their damage or pay for it to be fixed. I have always though the Law is an ass particularly in political cases, or should I say, cases where the motivation is claimed to be political.
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adam2 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:07 pm Extinction rebellion protesters acquitted by jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853979

Despite the instructions of the judge.
Ordinary people joining the protests without actually going themselves. If there are many more cases like this will the police stop arresting people on protests?
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BTW, I have been giving lessons in basic electricity/fuel/ physics to several local supporters. Nothing advanced, but still useful, not formal school type lessons but round table discussions.

Lesson one, now done, but follow up questions welcomed.

Difference between kilowatts and kilowatt hours, confirm that "a unit" of electricity is one kilowatt hour.
Explain that the mains voltage in the UK is nominally 230 volts, but averages about 240 volts most of the time in most places, but can vary from about 210 volts at the point of use up to just over 250 volts.
Explain that metering measures actual energy supplied and is not influenced by the voltage.

Also that DOMESTIC electricity meters take no account of power factor, and that almost nothing is gained by improving the power factor.

Discussion of relative loading of different appliances, explained that a high wattage appliance is fine if it does the job quicker or better, and if the electricity supply is sufficient.
No merit in a 1 kw kettle for example, unless the electricity supply is restricted. 1 kw kettle useful from a small generator or inverter for example, but pointless in most other situations.

Lesson 2, next week.
Different voltages and relative merits of different mains voltages.
Relative risks at different mains voltages.
Merits of AC versus DC.
Different battery voltages for off grid living, and for standby purposes. Merits of 12 volts, 24 volts, 48 volts, and 110 or 120 volt systems.
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