Nuclear accident follows Japanese earthqauke

[nexus]

Whatever our two silly trolls may say, Fukushima is clearly the worst nuclear disaster ever. Chernobyl was just one reactor, it went bang, spread a lot of radioactive material in a few hours, and resulted in the deaths of somewhere between 54 and a million people. The releases to the environment were pretty much stopped in a very short time. There is still potential for further substantial releases but, with a bit of luck, the spending of another billion or whatever on containment structures and care and attention for the rest of the century and beyond, that's about it.
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Great summary of the current situation, thanks for posting it and your other updates.

[An Inspector Calls]

Can't the Guardian, in collaboration with Greenpeace, get out there and find some cute little doggie (picture supplied by Foodie) that's lost its owner/puppies, hasn't been fed for weeks, and glows in the dark. That'll get the British public incensed!

[kenneal - lagger]

Yes, but it's still 'just' a meltdown. Potter's Bar wasn't analagous to anything else, but it was still 'just' a train crash. What exactly do you want - global sackcloth and ashes for the next ten years?

Yes petal, very droll but I don't think I need someone whose main reading interest is so obviously the Beano to remind me of past events in the nuclear industry thanks.

Whatever our two silly trolls may say, Fukushima is clearly the worst nuclear disaster ever. Chernobyl was just one reactor, it went bang, spread a lot of radioactive material in a few hours, and resulted in the deaths of somewhere between 54 and a million people. The releases to the environment were pretty much stopped in a very short time.

Utter piffle.

Oh look foodie, the latest issue's out:

http://www.beano.com/beano-comic/issue-3585

I was going to delete these posts because they are somewhat demeaning to have on this website. I changed my mind when I realised that they show the depths to which the poster has sunk in his efforts to justify the Nuclear Industry.

He/she/they seem to be posting from a number of email addresses at the IEE now renamed the Institution of Engineering and Technology. I don't know what they would think about such shoddy posting from one of their members/officials?.

[RenewableCandy]

I always suspected AIC was writing from an Institution... (sorry, couldn't resist that one, feel free to exponge...)

[kenneal - lagger]

His email address is in his profile which is available to all.

[JohnB]

His email address is in his profile which is available to all.

It's not now.

[An Inspector Calls]

I think you'll find it's just the one address.

Given the shoddy context of the opposing posts, even from the so-called moderators, I doubt the IEE/IET will be alarmed; they're made of sterner stuff than that!

That would rather depend whether they sanction your use of time to post on internet forums. What do they pay you for? They do pay you, don't they? You're not just on site and using their internet connection?

BTW, I don't agreee with giving out where people are posting from, even if they are twats.

God knows why I should explain this to a fellow twat, but:

• My posts to Powerswitch all come from a private e-mail address, not the IEE.
  That e-mail address has not been placed in my profile and never has.
  kenneal has seen my incoming iee address because he's a moderator
  All IEE members can use a free redirect service enabling them to keep a constant e-mail address if they shift IP
  I pay the IEE membership fees.

As for revealing e-mail addresses, well we have this assurance (for what it's worth):

The IP address of all posts is recorded . . . While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.

[biffvernon]

A-hem, if I might just mention an accident at a certain nuclear power station, yes foodimista, the BBC are now carrying the meltdown story, but it was only posted at 14:32 this afternoon. That's a very long time after the rest of the main media round the world, and most of them were pretty slow. It's been discussed on physicsforums since the early hours.

I rather like that forum because there are a lot of very serious-minded intelligent people who are polite to each other and no trolls.

But there's not much humour.

[biffvernon]

Can't the Guardian, in collaboration with Greenpeace, get out there and find some cute little doggie (picture supplied by Foodie) that's lost its owner/puppies, hasn't been fed for weeks, and glows in the dark. That'll get the British public incensed!

Sorry but this is from the Telegraph, not the Guardian:

Greenpeace said significant amounts of radioactive material had been released into the sea and that samples of seaweed taken from as far as 40 miles of the Fukushima plant had been found to contain radiation well above legal limits. Of the 22 samples tested, ten were contaminated with five times the legal limit of iodine 131 and 20 times of caesium 137.
Seaweed is a huge part of the Japanese diet and the average household almost 7lbs a year. Greenpeace's warning came as fishermen prepared to start the harvest of this season's seaweed on May 20.

Inland from the plant, there has been a huge cull of the livestock left inside the 18-mile mandatory exclusion zone with thousands of cows, horses and pigs being destroyed and some 260,000 chickens from the town of Minamisoma alone. The Environment ministry has announced, however, that it will attempt to rescue the thousands of pets that were left behind when residents were ordered to evacuate. At least 5,800 dogs were owned by the residents of the zone, although it is unclear how many remain alive, two months after the earthquake struck.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... plant.html


But then that article starts thus:

Julian Ryall in Tokyo 2:01PM BST 12 May 2011
Engineers from the Tokyo Electric Power company (Tepco) entered the No.1 reactor at the end of last week for the first time and saw the top five feet or so of the core's 13ft-long fuel rods had been exposed to the air and melted down.

Either the Telegraph's reporter' understanding of nuclear power stations has some gaps or TEPCO workers are even stupider that one could possibly have imagined. Nobody entered the reactor and saw anything. Or if they did they would not live long enough to tell the tale. The less exciting truth is that workers entered the second floor of the reactor building and deduced from water sensors and gauges that there probably wasn't any water in the reactor pressure vessel and deduced from that the inevitability of meltdown.

But hey, it's only the Telegraph.

This picture shows the workers in question looking at the gauges in question.

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp15/pict5.jpg

And there's a load of other new pictures at http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp ... otos15.htm that I won't post directly but just link to for bandwidth saving purposes as they are high res.

[kenneal - lagger]

The Inspector's email address has not been revealed. If anyone, apart from the Inspector himself or anyone that knows him, can send him an email from what I disclosed I'll give them a tenner.

[biffvernon]

My e-mail address is available from my profile because I have nothing to hide (wot with not being a troll, or part of the nuclear industry, like.)

Meanwhile

A radioactive substance exceeding the state limit has been detected in pasture grass and vegetables in Tochigi and Ibaraki prefectures, neighboring Fukushima Prefecture.

3,480 becquerels of radioactive cesium were detected in one kilogram of pasture grass collected on May 5th in Nikko City, Tochigi Prefecture. The figure exceeds the state limit of 300 becquerels.

Also, at two different locations in Nasushiobara City, 3,600 becquerels and 860 becquerels of radioactive cesium respectively were detected in one kilogram of pasture grass collected on May 3rd.

Tochigi Prefecture requested farmers in the area where the radioactive substance was detected not to feed pasture grass to livestock.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_01.html

Nikko City is about 170km southwest of the Fukushima Diiachi, way outside the exclusion zone. Not feeding grass to the cows is going to be a bit of challenge for farmers.

[An Inspector Calls]

I rather like that forum because there are a lot of very serious-minded intelligent people who are polite to each other . . .

Including the moderators?

. . . and no trolls.

He added, without any offence intended!

Well, that would be fine by me, but I'll give as good as I get.

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