post-Paris, TEQs' time has come at long last

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post-Paris, TEQs' time has come at long last

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It's long overdue for TEQs (or a comparable system) to be implemented. Paris and all the talking shops gone before would have been unnecessary if an emissions entitlement system had been put in place at the appropriate time.

Suggestions from supporters of such schemes for furthering their progress, please. I will be emailing Irish TDs and MEPs for a start.
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Re: post-Paris, TEQs' time has come at long last

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emordnilap wrote:It's long overdue for TEQs (or a comparable system) to be implemented. Paris and all the talking shops gone before would have been unnecessary if an emissions entitlement system had been put in place at the appropriate time.

Suggestions from supporters of such schemes for furthering their progress, please. I will be emailing Irish TDs and MEPs for a start.
Hear hear, emordnilap! You may well be interested in the blog post I posted today, on what seem to me to be the two leading alternatives to the UN process. I'd much appreciate your thoughts there.

With regard to your specific question, a number of courses of action are laid out here (you're already taking one of them, thanks!), and right now, emails to Avaaz in support of TEQs would be especially welcome, as per our latest newsletter.

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Here's GlobalCapCarbon's article re their submission to Ireland's citizens' assembly, which has been asking for submissions on "How the State can make Ireland a leader in tackling climate change".

Some very interesting submissions but a large percentage suggest very restricted areas of improvement, often associated with their personal lives (such as improved cycling facilities or shifting wind farms offshore, out of their sight) or single issues - plus the usual dregs of misinformed opinions.

A form of TEQs/C&S covers all the bases, with no need to micromanage.
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Reviving a stale topic, but just to say that I made an individual submission, specifically focussed on TEQs, to the (Irish) Citizens' Assembly. It's called TEQs: Empowering Citizens for Radical Climate Action. That said, it did not come up for any actual mention or discussion (they had well over 1000 submissions in total). Indeed, while the Citizens Assembly consideration of Climate Action was very positive in many ways, it still ultimately fell into the trap of assuming that relative modest, incremental, piecemeal actions are still appropriate or effective. Wish they could have had a session with Kevin Anderson or Alex "winning slowly is the same as losing" Steffen. :wink:
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bmcm wrote:Reviving a stale topic, but just to say that I made an individual submission, specifically focussed on TEQs, to the (Irish) Citizens' Assembly. It's called TEQs: Empowering Citizens for Radical Climate Action. That said, it did not come up for any actual mention or discussion (they had well over 1000 submissions in total). Indeed, while the Citizens Assembly consideration of Climate Action was very positive in many ways, it still ultimately fell into the trap of assuming that relative modest, incremental, piecemeal actions are still appropriate or effective. Wish they could have had a session with Kevin Anderson or Alex "winning slowly is the same as losing" Steffen. :wink:
Welcome bmcm.

I too made a submission, making TEQs my central point.

Not enough people believe Ireland could make any difference, we're too small. Being a good example, even if it makes little actual difference, is really the only moral choice.
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Many of the individual actions necessary would set any country up to be sustainable when the sh1t finally flies. A country with almost zero house heating requirements will be better bet than one which is still addicted to fraked gas ( I've dropped the c to make "frak" a four letter word) for warmth; one that grows most of its own food locally the same; one where people had the ability to make things locally could survive. We can but hope!
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Hi emordnilap -

Thanks for that. Can you point me at where I can find your submission? Would be interested to read.

Tks - B.
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