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PS_RalphW wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:18 pm With Patel re-introducing sus laws, re-enabling stop and search without reasonable suspicion, the Tories are setting the scene for a summer of race riots, like the 1980s. What goes around, comes around. We are in the midst of the most reactionary right wing government for 30 years.

How long before shouting slogans is redefined as terrorism deserving of life in prison, as in Hong Kong?
It's not Ralph. We've had S.60 for quite a while. They are just going to make it quicker and a smaller area.

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dustiswhatweare wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:00 pm raising awareness of an extinction level event.
When's that happening then? I got no time off for the next twelve months.
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Stumuz2 wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:40 pm
dustiswhatweare wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:00 pm raising awareness of an extinction level event.
When's that happening then? I got no time off for the next twelve months.
Ha ha very good. You're in luck though, it's years not months. I wouldn't go buying one of those 10 year diaries though.
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Sorry, I've got a silly sense of humour :D

But seriously, with climate change we are not equal. The climate is changing, but, it has always been changing. The only difference this time is man-made emissions have shoved the timescale along a bit.

Take this fairytale we were taught at school in Wales
.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantre%27r_Gwaelod

It is about a lost lands taken by the sea. Most ancient cultures >4000 years old have them. It's basically climate change.

What we are going to see, and by necessary implication, have to deal with, is unprecedented weather events. It will get wetter, hotter, windier, dryer. Some places are going to become uninhabitable by humans, so expect about a quarter of the worlds population to be on the move, fairly shortly.
But other temperate areas, UK, for example, will probably be OK, after the adaptation. Other, places like Bangladesh, are buggered. It's not going to be equal or fair.
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Stumuz2 wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:28 pm ................. But other temperate areas, UK, for example, will probably be OK, after the adaptation. .............
If you go http://flood.firetree.net/ and click on 60m sea level rise you will see that large areas of England including some of its most populated areas, will be under water and Scotland North of the central belt splits into two separate islands. After we have adapted to having about two thirds the land area and half the food growing area we might be OK.. On the other hand we might not.
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A IPCC google suggests that by 2100 we will be getting the rise by 2100 of 0.52 to 0.98 m with a rate during 2081–2100 of 8 to 16 mm yr–
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads ... _FINAL.pdf

So after 2100, there should be considerable population decline so maybe the adaptation is possible? I don't know you can write what I know about climate science on the back of a stamp.
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All the IPCC reports have ended up as underestimates by the time the next one comes out, sometimes even as the report comes out, and all the recent reports on ice sheet collapse have been much more pessimistic so I would plan for Hanson's warning of 7 metres sea level rise and hope for the IPCC level.

Chris Vernon has commented adversely on the Hanson et al paper in the past but it would be interesting to see what his thoughts on it are now. It was his field after all.
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So are we talking 7 meters by 2100?
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Well done you have done a good job of derailing this thread. I wonder why? And you do love bandying the word
"terrorism" around for some reason when demonising XR.

From Mobbs' report.

"Of course, against the background of demonising protest as a form of “extremism”, we see highly repressive and sometimes violent tactics being used to contain and perhaps dissuade people from peaceful protest; and by the attestation of some, even provoke a violent response in order to permit a more active response by police forces."

I still wonder how you know you are the only ex copper on this forum.
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kenneal - lagger wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:54 pm Chris Vernon has commented adversely on the Hanson et al paper in the past but it would be interesting to see what his thoughts on it are now. It was his field after all.
Both the IPCC figure and Hanson's are almost certainly wrong for 2100. The system is complicated and getting more complicated by the year as we learn more (both Hanson and IPCC are pretty out of date now). This is an excellent, up the date summary on these complications:
https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/a ... uncertain/

I believe 7m is absolutely already locked in, but doubt it will occur for another 3-400 years. My best guess for 2100 is in the range 1-2m.
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clv101 wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:56 pm This is an excellent, up the date summary on these complications:
https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/a ... uncertain/
Excellent link, can't say I understood all of it, but very interesting.
I can carry on planning my wind turbine knowing it's not going to be underwater in 20 years!
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As well as sea levels rising, increasing rainfall is going to lower the land. I watch with dismay as the water running down the roads turns orange with clay when there is a downfall. Rivers turn orange / brown, ploughed land becomes strangely smooth and covered with stones, even the stone track to my house has become bumpier as all the fine stone has been washed downhill.

I recently watched an old documentary about a landslip, a large volume of marine clay had liquified because the salt it contained had been dissolved out by fresh water. The ions in the salt have a binding effect on the clay particles. There are so many factors to consider.
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Then there is increased erosion. Even a 100mm sea level rise is going to increase coastal erosion and with increased storm surges and wave power due to increased wind speeds due to global warming/heating that erosion will be significant.
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Before we went and built sea walls, in some parts of the coast those occasional storm surges don't erode the land but add too it. The traditional Lincolnshire Marsh for example, kept pace with sea level rise as the annual and decade+ storms deposited material. Thanks to draining the Marsh and building sea walls that material is now lost, no more accretion, and once the sea wall fails in a century or two all is lost.
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