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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... apocalypse

MSM (if that phrase applies to the Grauniad) discussing the differences between responses to the coming apocalypse. It's not a very satisfying piece to us kollapsniks, but interesting to see the thinking filtering through.

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featherstick wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... apocalypse

MSM (if that phrase applies to the Grauniad) discussing the differences between responses to the coming apocalypse. It's not a very satisfying piece to us kollapsniks, but interesting to see the thinking filtering through.

Please delete/lock if already posted.

I'm fifty and potless and the future does not look pretty but, for my kids, it looks even tougher and I don't even want to think about the world my grand-kids will inhabit.

Yeah, acceptance that we're "living in a time of disintegration, a time of ongoing loss" whilst still a small minority view, is growing. Sadly this was the first Dark Mountain festival I didn't go to and also the last as there won't be any more Uncivilisation gatherings.

Hi everyone again, I agree with Steve, I posted somewhere else on a forum, we/ I haven't seen 'austerity', will I?, maybe, my kids?, probably, my grandkids?, certainly. I use the word 'austerity', as it's a word the political mob use, mainly to cut benefits & services, my parents having grown up through the second world war period, saw it.
As an aside Steve, please stop talking sense, I can't cope with it nowadays!
Regards Alan.

clv101 wrote:Yeah, acceptance that we're "living in a time of disintegration, a time of ongoing loss" whilst still a small minority view, is growing. Sadly this was the first Dark Mountain festival I didn't go to and also the last as there won't be any more Uncivilisation gatherings.

Pity. Any idea why not?

You do what you can. Our lads are all grown and left home. They're hooked into the system, all working (for now, thankfully), all with partners, but no kids yet. They will probably be hit hard as collapse continues. We, on the other hand, are progressively disconnecting ourselves from the system, and there's a place for them with us when they need it.

It's a slow process, but we are gradually replacing dependence on money with dependence on direct labour. Every new foraging skill we learn, and every new thing we grow, reduces the food bill. Similarly with energy; the more wood we cut and season, the less oil, coal or electricity we need to burn. So, as and when the boys join us, they can contribute with labour and won't be a burden, even if they have to come because they don't have money.

I think they understand the predicament we're all in on an intellectual level, but they're not yet ready to embrace it yet in terms of a dramatic lifestyle change. (They look a bit uncomfortable if I go off on one of my PO rants, especially if their partners are there!) But that's OK. We're lucky in that we have the resources to be preparing a place without their contribution at the moment. And if they don't need or want it at any stage, well, it's a nice way of life anyway.

I still fear for their future though.

Sounds like you're doing all the right things, Tarrel.

I think this was the last Uncivilisation as they didn't want to become full time festival organisers!

Sounds like you're doing all the right things, Tarrel.

Well, hopefully. I'm just conscious that we are in quite a privileged position to be able to make these choices compared to many others. Tends to focus the mind on trying to do the best thing.

I think this was the last Uncivilisation as they didn't want to become full time festival organisers!

The Sustainability Centre is an interesting place. Great book shop. I've been down there a couple of times. I'm aiming to take their Sustainable Woodland Management course later this year. Their natural burial ground seems to be becoming quite a major part of their operation.

Most of my great-grandparents were agricultural labours and it is likely that most my great-grandchildren will be the same.

All I can do about it is look after my children and hope in their turn that they do the same.

JavaScriptDonkey wrote:Most of my great-grandparents were agricultural labours and it is likely that most my great-grandchildren will be the same.

All I can do about it is look after my children and hope in their turn that they do the same.

Yep, that's about the size of it.

I know this is off topic but according to this RT article about Fukushima: http://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse ... around us?

I know this is off topic but according to this RT article about Fukushima: http://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse ... around us?

Looks like the apocalypse has embraced Standuble.

biffvernon wrote:Looks like the apocalypse has embraced Standuble.

Yeah I know, my computer seems to believe the apocalypse is upon it and given up hope. I was trying to link to an RT article about the planned Nuclear Fuel Rod removal at Fukushima in a few months and the article's (alarmist or not) predictions that a screw up with the extraction (which is a possibility) could cause a cataclysm which according to the article could wipe out the entire northern hemisphere - either in months or within a couple of generations) and that the incident could be in the article's own words "apocalyptic." There are other similar articles on the web were some scientists supposedly warned we should all consider going 15 degrees south of the equator in relation to this.

Whilst the post was OT I did pose a question: We all assume we could adapt and survive PO and the slow decline sometimes forecast. What would we do however if we had an inescapable end via a deadly radioactive cloud a year from now or if deformed births caused a projected ELE within a few decades (e.g. children of men)? What chance would any of us have when the entire world was falling apart around us and there was nothing we could do?

Edit: Here is the link: http://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse ... moval-598/

Well, if there was nothing we could do, then we'd do nothing. Stands to reason.

Meanwhile I have every confidence in the noble and trustworthy TEPCO engineers (with fingers firmly crossed behind back).