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IEA chief economist -- "we peaked in 2006"
Posted: 29 Apr 2011, 21:50
by mobbsey
First the French Prime Minister, now ABA Australia TV has the IEA's chief economist says the peak was 2006.
Fatih Birol's been one of the more liberal voices at the IEA for a while -- now he's come out and said what many know to be the case. So, how long before our own politicians understand the reality of what this means?
You can find ABC Australia's 'Catalyst' programme at
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/oilcrunch/
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 73147.html
Oil prices to keep rising as peak production reached in 2006
FRANK McDONALD, Environment Editor, The Irish Times, Friday April 29th 2011
THE AGE of cheap oil is now over – and that’s official.
For the first time, the International Energy Agency has conceded that global crude oil production has already peaked and that the commodity will become more and more expensive.
In the Catalyst programme broadcast last night on Australia’s ABC1 television, the agency’s chief economist, Fatih Birol, said “peak oil” was reached in 2006.
He said that he expected oil prices to rise by 30 per cent over the next three years.
“The existing [oil] fields are declining so sharply that in order to stay where we are in terms of production levels in the next 25 years, we have to find and develop four new Saudi Arabias,” Dr Birol said.
“It is a huge, huge challenge that we continue to underline.”
Only five years ago, the agency – an independent, inter-governmental agency formed in the wake of the 1973 oil crisis – was confidently forecasting that crude oil production would increase to 120 million barrels a day by 2030.
Dr Birol said one of the conclusions the agency had come to was that the age of cheap oil was over.
Yesterday, light crude was trading at $113 per barrel and forecast to rise to $130 per barrel.
At the height of the global financial crisis in 2008, oil spiked to $148 per barrel.
Global instability in oil-rich regions meant that crude oil would only get more expensive, according to Dr Birol.
“The amount of increase in the oil input bill in Europe is equal to the government budget deficit of Greece plus Portugal put together,” he said.
“If it increases further . . . we believe it will increase at least 20, 30 per cent higher in the next few years to come and this would mean additional pressure on the financing of many governments who are the oil importers.”
More expensive oil will make it more difficult for countries to break out of recession.
Dr Birol said more oil reserves “might be there”, but access was not.
There was also market manipulation.
“For some producers, it is better that oil doesn’t come to market so they would like to see perhaps higher prices as a result of tightness in the markets,” he said.
Posted: 29 Apr 2011, 22:26
by biffvernon
Pretty significant.
Of course Fatih Birol has been saying this, quietly, for quite a while. His meeting with David Fleming in1999 was similarly significant.
Posted: 01 May 2011, 20:32
by biffvernon
This film is really rather good, in it's own sweet way:
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3201781.htm
I love the way it ends:
ABC Interviewer: How urgent is this?
Fatih Birol: I think it would have been better if the governments had started work on this at least ten years ago.
Posted: 01 May 2011, 22:44
by UndercoverElephant
biffvernon wrote:This film is really rather good, in it's own sweet way:
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3201781.htm
I love the way it ends:
ABC Interviewer: How urgent is this?
Fatih Birol: I think it would have been better if the governments had started work on this at least ten years ago.
It's OK. RGR says we just discovered three "new Saudi Arabia's" (sic.)
Posted: 01 May 2011, 23:22
by RGR
[quote="UndercoverElephant"]
Posted: 01 May 2011, 23:38
by UndercoverElephant
RGR wrote:UndercoverElephant wrote:
It's OK. RGR says we just discovered three "new Saudi Arabia's" (sic.)
Just in the past 6 years or so. Goodness knows that TOD is going to be irritated that their 2008 call for peak isn't being taken seriously, or worse yet, those now flaunting information which says we have yet ANOTHER peak in 2010.
Wow! It's just like every time they find a missing evolutionary link it just throws up TWO MORE gaping holes in that silly Darwinism!
Some say it was 2006, some 2008, some 2010...they can't agree with each other! This means they're all talking bunk, oh yes....
Is there a minimum number of decades (or centuries) within which peak has been declared before those of who have been giggling the entire time are vindicated?
I guess it must be very hard for you at the moment. Some of us have been waiting ten years for peak oil to break out of its bases on the internet and into the mainstream consciousness. This is now happening, and the process is accelerating all the time.
Time is on our side, RGR. Every day that passes brings closer the day when reality finally dawns on
you too.
Posted: 02 May 2011, 00:31
by RGR
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Posted: 02 May 2011, 00:45
by UndercoverElephant
RGR wrote:
Really? This is what it was supposed to cause within DAYS of it happening.
Eh? Said WHO?
The basics of peak oil theory are so damned simple that any reasonably intelligent ten-year-old could grasp it. Predicting the precise consequences of it - the entire series of world events that would accompany it - is beyond the capacity of the most intelligent, highly-educated polymath alive. Peak Oil is just one part of a much more complex scenario involving human population, various critical resources, the capacity of the global ecosystem to absorb our waste products, politics, economics, human psychology, blind chance and chaos theory. Not to mention the possible existence of global conspiracies and supernatural phenomena....
Go worry about something important.
What makes you think I'm worried? Unlike yourself,
I don't have much to lose.
Peak oil happened (pick your favorite year or past peak) and it was so terrible that it can't even increase my commuting costs.
How far do you commute and how?
What do you say we all move along to an issue of real consequence, like a decent super volcano eruption, or cosmic collision?
Neither of those are likely to occur in my lifetime. Peak Oil already did, and it is the cherry on top of the most important event in the history of Planet Earth since the evolutionary emergence of
Homo sapiens.
It's
Showtime....
Doesn't everyone get tired of this make believe stuff...
Yes, we're all bored stupid of it. But you also sort of amuse us.
Posted: 02 May 2011, 01:27
by RGR
[quote="UndercoverElephant"]
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Posted: 02 May 2011, 02:48
by leroy
Yeats wrote:TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned
There is a wise old fellaheen on the slopes there Roger, an old Sioux on the prairie. They mock you. D'you get that - the old American grasses, where the buffalo used to stamp, wave in the breeze before and beyond European (and Native) coming. The plants, the scant copse, the plains make fun of you and your truck. Make better use of your time- train set mebbe- Hornby are great for an Anglophile.
Posted: 02 May 2011, 04:05
by Keepz
UndercoverElephant wrote: The basics of peak oil theory are so damned simple that any reasonably intelligent ten-year-old could grasp it. Predicting the precise consequences of it - the entire series of world events that would accompany it - is beyond the capacity of the most intelligent, highly-educated polymath alive.
Correct, which is why it's completely useless as a basis for policy design and the very antithesis of science.
Posted: 02 May 2011, 05:19
by kenneal - lagger
If the difference between the value of all the peaks is getting close to a few per cent difference, I would be getting worried about a final peak approaching. If there's 10, 15, 20% difference we still have a while to go before we have a problem.
Posted: 04 May 2011, 08:53
by mobbsey
I think this heated debate is missing an important point...
We can demonstrate the peak of individual oil fields -- it's well defined because you're talking about a limited statistical domain. However, when we're looking at the aggregation of many fields and provinces for a global trend there is no such defined peak. What we get is a plateau, and the shape of that plateau is influences by a variety of factors beyond geophysics.
At present, despite the calling of peaks in one year or another, all we can say is that there is evidence of a defined plateau (see below), not a pronounced peak and decline (although, in terms of the economic effects of energy prices, a plateau is a problematic as a peak). Once the data falls outside of the statistics that define the plateau of production --
either above or below, depending which argumentative camp you are in -- then we can say categorically that the peak has/has not taken place and that the fan is now soiled/still sparkly clean.
Above graph is extracted from
Ecolonomics 11 --
http://www.fraw.org.uk/mei/ecolonomics/ ... 0416.shtml To quote the explanatory text:
If we look over a long period of time there's not a very good correlation between the "actual" oil price – that is, the price it cost at a particular moment in time – and oil production. However, if we use inflation adjusted values – which value oil at a specific point in time (in this case, 2009) – we do get a good correlation when oil production is constrained. If we look at the period from the mid-1980s to 2000, the price of oil was falling as production rose, reflecting the high levels of production as non-OPEC producers – such as Britain, Norway and West African states – brought more oil into the market. Over this same period, due to the significance of oil prices within the economic process, we saw a sustained period of global economic growth. In contrast, from the early-1970s to the early 1980s, when oil supply was constrained by the political actions of oil producers (such as OPEC or Iran), the price roughly follows the production trend – although not with a very good fit.
The graph on the next page is split into two in order to contrast three historic states in oil production: the unconstrained (mid-1980s to 2000) and politically constrained (early-1970s to early 1980s) periods explained above; and the most recent geophysically constrained period of production. If you look at the lower graph you can see that production rises until around 2004/5. This is when oil production reaches the plateau which defines the geophysical limits of oil production – the plateau of peak oil. From this point on, as the constrained oil production rises above the mean of the plateau it causes prices to spike; except for the period around 2008/9 which is complicated by the effects of the financial collapse and the credit crunch. Now that the world economy is growing once more, rising demand is putting pressure on spare production capacity, causing prices to spike again.
Posted: 04 May 2011, 13:39
by RGR
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Posted: 04 May 2011, 13:55
by Lord Beria3
RGR - do you think that Fatih Birol is a credible individual in predicting 'peak oil' in 2006?
After all, he is hardly some fringe PS member?