revdode wrote:Ludwig wrote:It puzzles me that the same people who say, "All world events are just random, there are no plans" will happily say
There is some distance between all world events are random and all world events are planned. I think something close to reality is somewhere in that space. Business. government and special interest groups (thats most of us folks) are ruthless at using random events to promote their interests, it's ugly but its visible in almost every news story and the comment that goes with it. It doesn't need a big conspiracy for bad stuff to happen.
Firstly, thanks for the reasoned reply. (I don't mind being disagreed with, I just wish when people disagreed they'd give counterarguments rather than imagine I will be convinced by being called a nutter.)
I completely agree that, in general, the truth lies between the chaos and the conspiracy theories. History suggests, however, that within that range it veers a lot one way or the other. I mean, are there people here who doubt that over the last 5 decades the CIA has been up to its neck in the internal affairs of South America, to the extent of trying to foment revolution or help assassinate democratically elected leaders? As far as I can tell the only reason for doubting it is not knowing about it - and it's true that an alarmingly large number of people take the attitude, "I hadn't heard of that, so it can't be true".
I don't KNOW that there is anything fishy about swine flu, and maybe there isn't; it's just that the disparity between the media coverage and the apparent actuality makes me feel that something doesn't add up. Above all, it was the enforced vaccination that made me suspicious: it just doesn't "feel" normal.
In America there IS a network of politicians, security agencies, bankers and corporate CEOs who together heavily influence - and under the Republicans, virtually control - US government policy. I do urge people to read John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", in which the author describes the US system of government as a "corporatocracy". Perkins is not a conspiracy nut, he's a former insider.
In most countries, including Britain (and certainly inveterately corrupt countries like Italy and Russia) I imagine there is a similar network of interests, although I have not read as much about what goes on in Europe.
Anyhow none of this is actual evidence; it provides a backdrop against which the evidence can be considered. The evidence can be summarised as follows:
- Given current population levels, economic growth, the foundation of our socioeconomic structure, cannot continue past the point of Peak Oil. Mass unemployment and social unrest will be the consequences, which will need to be dealt with by forceful measures if society is not to collapse.
- Worse than this, the
accelerating decline in oil supply following the peak will lead much of the world's population into starvation and disease. Don't forget that oil isn't just used for transport, but also for fertilisers, farm mechanisation and pesticides. Starvation is among the messiest and most socially dangerous ways imaginable to depopulate the world, but absent an alternative, it is how most people will go.
- Influential figures in American (mostly Republican) politics and business, under the umbrella of PNAC, have
publicly advocated the depopulation of the world to at most 2 billion people. The document that advocated this was easy to find on the Internet until recently.
- Between 2001 and 2004, 14 world-class biologists specialising in genetic sequencing and virology died in accidents or "committed suicide". Last year 2 bright young biologists were brutally murdered in London. There may well be more incidents but Web sites collating them haven't updated their reports over the past 5 years.
- The WHO and the media have been going out of their way to assure us that there WILL be a pandemic in the nearish future.
- The Patriot II Act in the US makes vaccine makers immune from lawsuits.
My hypothesis - and I emphasise that it is a HYPOTHESIS, not a theory, for those who know the difference - is that at some point each senior politician and businessperson will have been, or will be, taken aside and told, "Because of Peak Oil, two thirds of the world's population is going to have to die soon, and there's a plan afoot to get rid of them the easy way. Do you want in, or out? Either way, mention any of this, and you and your family are toast." You wouldn't need to be particularly evil, I don't think, to want in.
There is a large amount of evidence of clandestine genetically targeted bioweapons programmes, and there is a large amount of evidence that people who threaten to spill the beans about them are being silenced, by more or less brutal means. (
The thing that first made me trust my hunches was when I guessed in advance that the 2 French students butchered in London were biologists.)
I'm not going to go back and try to find all the material that persuades me that this is a
possible - I don't say
probable - scenario. All I will say is that this material is enough to make me
suspicious, no more.
