Strike on at Grangemouth

stumuz · Post by **stumuz** » 22 Apr 2008, 10:38

Be careful when buying jerry cans. If you are putting petrol (UN 1203) into a container it has to be a UN certified package or container.

The police do not usually enforce the ADR REGS against private motorists, but the last fuel strike they were checking the petrol cans for the UN approvement number on the cans.

Mitch · Post by **Mitch** » 23 Apr 2008, 09:37

The bitter row which preceded the talks has resulted in Ineos taking legal action over comments made by union officials.

The company said Unite had claimed that Ineos had stripped ?40m from the Grangemouth pension fund.

"This is an extremely serious allegation and is completely untrue," an Ineos statement said.

"We have asked Unite to retract their statement but they have refused to do so.

"We therefore have no choice but to issue court proceedings in order to protect our reputation and to establish that the allegation is untrue."

This really should help break the deadlock and help resolve the dispute!

SunnyJim · Post by **SunnyJim** » 23 Apr 2008, 09:56

A work colleague of mine was up there last week and said there are huge numbers of tankers turninig up at Grangemouth empty and heading off somewhere full of crude. I guess this is before the shutdown. Where does it all go? He said he thought much of the crude that comes down the forties pipeline to grangemouth is sold to the US?

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 23 Apr 2008, 10:04

Interesting they aren't just leaving it at Grangemouth until it re-opens.

Kind of suggests the stuff is in short supply. Why else would they bother trucking it around?

Unless emptying the site of crude is part of the safety arrangements - or to allow crude to continue to come in from the N Sea.

Mitch · Post by **Mitch** » 23 Apr 2008, 10:08

Begining to look like a large game of musical chairs - more refining capacity than feedstock - wonder who's going to be the ultimate winner?

chris25 · Post by **chris25** » 23 Apr 2008, 10:15

The management blatently want to close this place, or something is going on that we don't know.

They could easily blag there way out of this, just by offering some proposed deal then dropping out later when the workforce has calmed down. Like false promises, its worked for Labour for 10 years!

But the management just don't want any kind of deal, I think their after an excuse to close the plant probably due to lack of North sea supplies.

RevdTess · Post by **RevdTess** » 23 Apr 2008, 14:32

SunnyJim wrote:A work colleague of mine was up there last week and said there are huge numbers of tankers turninig up at Grangemouth empty and heading off somewhere full of crude. I guess this is before the shutdown. Where does it all go? He said he thought much of the crude that comes down the forties pipeline to grangemouth is sold to the US?

Yes. And Europe via Rotterdam

Are you sure it was Grangemouth? The docks at Grangemouth are for product exports. Crude exports occur further along the estuary at Hound Point.

SunnyJim · Post by **SunnyJim** » 23 Apr 2008, 14:55

I think he was watching the mouth of the firth of the forth, so could have been filling up anywhere up estuary...

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 23 Apr 2008, 22:52

Falkirk Herald - 23/04/08

LAST ditch talks to prevent a strike at Ineos have broken down.

Unite confirmed on Wednesday night that two days of talks with Ineos and the conciliation service Acas had failed to resolve a dispute over the company's proposed changes to their pension scheme.

Article continues ...

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 23 Apr 2008, 23:16

If there was ever a put up job..............

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 23 Apr 2008, 23:17

Is there a problem with North Sea output?

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 24 Apr 2008, 05:15

TeleText - 24/04/08

Grangemouth refinery owner Ineos says it now has no option but to completely shut down the site to make sure it is safe during the 48-hour strike.

The company said it was working with the Government to minimise the impact of the industrial action.

Ineos said it had put forward "significant" new proposals during the talks at Acas to try to prevent the strike going ahead.

Article continues ...

Post by **mikepepler** » 24 Apr 2008, 07:12

I'm amazed that this is STILL not front page news. I think the media must have been ordered/intimidated into not saying anything about it. The reporting is there, but you have to look for it.

If the Forties pipeline is closed for a short time, with it's 700kbpd throughput, won't the effects be wider reaching than just Scotland? And that's in addition to fuel tankers heading north from England.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 24 Apr 2008, 07:57

mikepepler wrote:I'm amazed that this is STILL not front page news. I think the media must have been ordered/intimidated into not saying anything about it. The reporting is there, but you have to look for it.

If the Forties pipeline is closed for a short time, with it's 700kbpd throughput, won't the effects be wider reaching than just Scotland? And that's in addition to fuel tankers heading north from England.

When you look at the network map on the TOD website, you begin to realise the significance of the Grangemouth plant. Worrying news to say the least.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 24 Apr 2008, 08:12

I'm amazed that this is STILL not front page news. I think the media must have been ordered/intimidated into not saying anything about it. The reporting is there, but you have to look for it.

This 'quiet' reporting of energy problems seems to have been in place for a year or two.

The last proposed fuel protest was hardly mentioned at all.