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Keepz wrote:
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tomhitchman wrote:just seen on a channel4 news report that UK is only dependent for 2% of it's gas supply on Russia. Could anybody confirm that as correct?
Verbal lateral arabesques.

We get 15%-20% of our gas from Norway .. who will be sat by the Germans etc to supply the freezing heart of Europe.

Norway has already told the UK that we are at the bottom of the delivery queue due to our weak contracts.

In other words we could lose up to 20% of our gas as a result of this gas crisis.
No; the Norwegians don't have the pipeline capacity to divert that much gas away from the UK and into Europe.
So is the Sleipner-Zeebruge link already at capacity?

And how about other links?
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What if the EU orders the channel tunnel gas link ran at full capacity into France and on to wherever?
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There is still a lot of uncertainty here at the moment, really major industrial users are being restricted. Minor industrial users, like the business I work in (we have a big paint plant) are still ok but have been told to be on stand by to cut gas and have to plan for this. As it is also our source of energy for heating we would have to close or reduce the business until the supply was reinstated. It's pretty hard to keep a large metal box at a comfortable temperature when it's minus fifteen outside.
Indications to consumers suggest at least two weeks gas supply could/should be available, this sounds very optimistic and was based on last weeks temperatures (minus eight here).
Some business groups and interests are lobbying to change the rules so that consumers are cut first to protect business. It's good to know where they have a heart - kept in their wallet just behind their platinum frequent flyer and amex cards.
It could be worse our neighbours in Serbia get gas through here and this has been cut to maintain security of supply at home.
On the upside it's not as cold here as Germany or Poland and I think there will be skating on lake Balaton this weekend.

EDIT - the official line was originally four weeks.
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DominicJ wrote:What if the EU orders the channel tunnel gas link ran at full capacity into France and on to wherever?

I believe that gas is being exported from the UK at present, though not at full capacity.
We have a free and open market in gas, therefore supplies stored in the UK may be purchased by our Europen competitors, simply by offering a higher price.

(ps gas does not go via the channel tunnel, the gas pipeline is entirely separete)
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Vortex wrote:
Keepz wrote:the Norwegians don't have the pipeline capacity to divert that much gas away from the UK and into Europe.
So is the Sleipner-Zeebruge link already at capacity?

And how about other links?
Don't know, and neither do you, because that information isn't public; but I'd be astounded if all the links from Norway in to mainland Europe had not been running at full capacity for days if not weeks already, given the weather. And the fact is that if you look at Norway's production capacity and their pipeline capacity they still have plenty left over and nowhere to send it but here, even when they are supplying the mainland at full whack.

While I'm here, perhaps I could take issue also with the notion that the UK is "dependent" on Russia for 2% of its gas. The fact that we buy 2% of our gas from Russia doesn't make us dependent on it. I buy about 10% of my food from Sainsbury's but that doesn't make me dependent on Sainsbury's for 10% of my food; if they were suddenly to decide to stop serving me, guess what - I can go to Waitrose, or Tesco, or M & S, etc. This is the position for the UK, where we have the best diversified gas sourcing and supply infrastructure of any gas importer anywhere in the world.

This is thanks entirely to billions of pounds' worth of investment by our useless, failed market and the Government's naive and short-sighted policy of allowing the market to make its own decisions. It's also why we don't have as much gas storage capacity as some other EU markets - we don't need as much, because we are not exposed to a single import source as they are. And it shows how misguided it is to assess security of supply only by reference to gas storage capacity.
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Keepz
I'm a former shareholder in a company that wanted to build 180 days of storage, eventually.

After 10 years in existence, the company hasnt built anything, planning permission refused.
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DominicJ wrote:Keepz
I'm a former shareholder in a company that wanted to build 180 days of storage, eventually.

After 10 years in existence, the company hasnt built anything, planning permission refused.
Amazing the free market didn't manage to buy the cooperation of the officials concerned.

A real free market failure there.
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Right....
Its the free markets fault when the government says no.
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In the case of the proposed gas storage site near me, it's local government that says no and central government that overules them to say yes (and Gazprom, the owners of the site) who will be amongst the beneficiarieas.
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Lucky you Biff!! You are witness (and neighbour) to a real market success!!
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Pah! I spit in the face of gas shortages!
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Ok I'll ask :oops: ,.... WTF is that ? Vortex?
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It's a Total Sensory Depravation tank.

You just float in it, face down and blindfold, and soon you forget about gas shortages.
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IanG wrote:Ok I'll ask :oops: ,.... WTF is that ? Vortex?
B&Q Personal Gasometer to allow you to store natural gas for emergency use.


... or it might be a helium buffer store ...

http://crppwww.epfl.ch/~alberti/helium_ ... ystem.html
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Vortex wrote:B&Q Personal Gasometer
Wow . . . the things they sell at B&Q nowadays. Anyone would think they are trying to be useful or something.
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