Migrant watch (merged topic)

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Sep 2015, 12:10

Here's the story of Aylan Kurdi, on his way to Canada, caught between war that destroyed his birth town, hostility in his first country as a refugee and bureaucratic obfuscation in his destination country where he would receive the support of family and friends.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... ach-canada

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 13:07

You are the cat lady biff, you take in hundreds of cats into a tiny house or flat ,and then the poor things starve and lie dead on the floor.

Yet you still take in new cat,s your house smells of dead cats, the cats fight for food and eat the weaker cats and kittens.

yet you still will take in more cats, and preach about people needing more compassion.

In a ideal world your neighbours would call the council and you would be stopped from keeping cats or animals.

look on hoarders buried alive, and ask why the hell do people end up like that mad old lady with all those dead cats, and then apply it to what view your taking and the view we are taking

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 13:12

taking in a cat that you can look after if it wont badly effect the cats you have is a good deed maybe .

Taking in cats and causing cat hell isnt, your causing cat hell or will do

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 13:22

And to little john and undercover years ago I actually voted green, but I could see they were not green at all so I would never vote for them or support them again .
Most of my friends are hippys a lot of them sending supplys to calais, really I have told them what I think of them doing this and I should disown them because I think they are basically traitors .

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Sep 2015, 13:28

For the practically minded folk:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =896689337

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Sep 2015, 13:31

And for those who like clicking petitions, this one just got 160000 signatures, which is about 30000 more than when I signed it a couple of hours ago.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 13:44

A lot of the people signing these petitions wouldnt know the counter argument, you may or you should but like the cat lady you are you ignore reality and what will come from your actions

I'm saving cats

dont stop me saving cats

their my cats

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Sep 2015, 13:45

And for those who like cartoons, thankyou, Rafat al-Khatee and the Independent.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 14:48

My guess is your Rafat al-Khatee is guilt tripping silly white europeans like gandhi the man who said he would have nuked the uk if he had the atom bomb did .

The more muslims in europe the better for any muslim, all the pro migrant people are useful idiots, any jihadi will be rubbing his hands with glee seeing how stupid you are

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 15:23

The childs parents were not in a war zone they were in a muslim country at peace turkey, and they try to get to greece and europe so they were economic migrants and invaders not refugees .

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Sep 2015, 16:18

biffvernon wrote:And for those who like clicking petitions, this one just got 160000 signatures, which is about 30000 more than when I signed it a couple of hours ago.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991

Over 200000 signed now, rising by about one per second. There is hope.

Accept more asylum seekers and increase support for refugee migrants in the UK.

Edit: over a quarter of a million now

228,988 signatures

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 03 Sep 2015, 18:43

Cameron has bowed to pressure and will take thousands of syrians into the uk, doesn't surprise me

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 03 Sep 2015, 19:22

Apparently they are going to be brought in directly from the refugee camps near the Syrian border. Seems like a good idea. Takes the traffickers out of the equation. Maintains border integrity.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 03 Sep 2015, 21:44

We should not be taking any at all. This is an utterly futile and morally vacuous gesture. Any we do take will only encourage thousands more to attempt the trip, leading to more deaths en-route and ever more people knocking on the gates of Europe until, eventually, we will be forced to say no.

Or, we will never say no, in which case we are committing national suicide. But, at some point, ordinary citizens will either take the law into their own hands or they will hand power to whoever promises to put a stop to all of the above, by whatever means. At the moment this only the far right.

This crisis is revealing who really has fully taken on board, at the deepest level, the collapse of modern civilisation that is coming and who is just playing at being a nice, guardian-reading, left-leaning, green-tinged, right-on liberal,, but who don't really think that the world is going to change much from what it is today, albeit with a few modifications.

What we are witnessing is the beginning of the collapse of modern civilisation.

Do we want to f***ing survive or don;t we?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 03 Sep 2015, 21:52

One of the many facebook posts that appeared on my timeline today:

Rabah Jtl
The first step for Britain in solving the current refugee crisis (the worst since World War 2), is to actively and publicly resettle those seeking help. We can set a tolerant, accepting global mood, where refugees everywhere will be welcome, thus spreading the responsibility efficiently. We should not need a picture of a dead child to tell us this.

When we ratified (and contributed significantly) to the 1951 Refugee Convention, it was a proclamation of our commitment to resettle refugees. The refugee crisis of the Second World War, and particularly that of the Jewish peoples fleeing the Holocaust, was terribly dealt with. We bear the brunt of that history to this day. Every European country could have done more, but was inhibited by a gross xenophobia and antisemitism. And now we ignore those history lessons when they matter most: We see the same attitudes manifesting in our decision-making, again.

There has been much circulated rhetoric about how "full" we are, and that "we cannot take everyone" - ironically, the same rhetoric used to justify rejecting Jews in the late 1930s. In fact, 90% of Britain is unbuilt on, and 86% of refugees stay in African and Asian countries.

Accepting these refugees will not put any significant additional strain on our public services. Public resources have already required investment for quite some time. They are strained, whether refugees come or not. Additionally, migrants in general are known to make a greater net contribution than they take. Furthermore, Britain has an ageing population, which puts more pressure on the NHS and welfare budget. Having young, motivated people enter the workforce is pragmatically a benefit to the economy. Also, our pathetic attitude right now is costing us standing in the EU as well as the global stage. We appear hypocrites in our preaching of human rights, yet lack of humanity.

Though, none of this really matters. If a picture of a dead child washed ashore still receives comments like "send them back, we don't want them", it is not the statistics or facts that need reinforcing. It is human compassion. There is something severely wrong with these people, and I do not mean the refugees. Germany has promised to take nearly a million asylum seekers, Iceland's grassroots support has offered 11,000 homes, even Austria is changing its attitude - the poisonous, vile, repulsive gut reaction of xenophobia is being defeated there. But here, we continue to push it, in our press, in our political discourse.

The truth is, if one argues against compassion with hatred, prejudice, and intolerance, then they will just as easily ignore any inconvenient facts. They will ignore the benefits of migration - and all rationality - just as easily as they ignore their own conscience.

Britain's first practical step in this refugee crisis is to finds its own compassion, which seems to have been lost under all the baseless far right rhetoric. We do this by helping these refugees. Now.

And I notice that the Government petition is just shy of 300000 right now. Bound to hit that round number before the day is out.
Who's not signed yet?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991