Brexit process

[Catweazle]

What is undemocratic about a second vote ?

You really don't see the irony in that!!!!

No, not if circumstances have changed or new facts are known by the voters. Similarly, I don't see a re-trial based on new evidence as a betrayal of the original jury.

[Catweazle]

in case you are unaware, most countries actually want to sell you their stuff. Getting them to buy your stuff is sometimes a bit harder.

We'll make up the difference by continuing to be top ranked money-launderers, it might be even easier once we've brexited.

[stumuz1]

No, not if circumstances have changed or new facts are known by the voters.

No circumstances have changed. The EU is doing exactly what I thought it would do. It is why I wanted to leave.

Similarly, I don't see a re-trial based on new evidence as a betrayal of the original jury.

You only get a re-trial if the original trial was wrong and should not have been held.

So, why was it wrong to have a referendum? Too racist? Too bigoted? Too swivel eyed? Too much giving the plebs a say?

Which ever way you try to justify a second referendum. It is philosophically and morally bankrupt.

Although comfortable middle class people who like the business as usual status quo will keep trying.

[PS_RalphW]

If nothing has changed than why be frightened of a second vote?

That is just not logical.

[Little John]

In continuing to push this bullshit you and those just like you are, indeed, morally and philosophically bankrupt.

I would have more respect if people like you just came out and admitted that you think it was a terrible idea that the plebs should have ever been given a real vote that mattered in how this country is run.

As it is, I have none. The vote is the single most revolutionary tool the ordinary man or woman possesses. I detest, more than words can express, people like you who would rob over half of this country's citizens of that vote. A vote that was won with the blood, sweat and tears of our ancestors. You may be assured, there are millions like me.

[UndercoverElephant]

Can we stop bitching about the last referendum and the possibility of a next one, just for a while? It's all rather repetitive and it is also all rather moot, since the fate of brexit is going to be decided by an election in the very near future.

[Little John]

No it's not moot. You think this shit is going to be forgotten or forgiven, whichever way this plays out?

[stumuz1]

If nothing has changed than why be frightened of a second vote?

That is just not logical.

I genuinely believe that if the politicians, media class and the monied class could get a second vote they would have one in a flash.

But you hit the nail on the head. The establishment are frightened of a second vote, because it would rob them of the legitimacy they crave for doing unpopular things in our name

That's why it is philosophically and morally bankrupt.

Every election in the future would be marred by,

" Threre's no point voting, if they don't like the result they'll ignore it."

[stumuz1]

It's all rather repetitive and it is also all rather moot, since the fate of brexit is going to be decided by an election in the very near future.

But if Brexit is not delivered, the argument for ignoring the vote is legitimate.

Why give cognisance to this vote when they ignored the last?

[kenneal - lagger]

..... Or would the people, having learned the true costs of Brexit, vote differently ?................

We haven't learned the true cost of anything. All we have heard is ever more wild scare stories about what a few very biased people think might happen.

Even Mark Carnie, an arch scare monger, is downgrading the costs of a no deal Brexit, but even that is a guess. What has he to gain by appeasing the EU? The Chairmanship of the IMF for a start. That's his next step up and he won't get that if he doesn't do the EU's bidding and scare us into staying in the EU.

[UndercoverElephant]

No it's not moot. You think this shit is going to be forgotten or forgiven, whichever way this plays out?

I think there's not much point in raking it over any more right now. The election is much more interesting.

[UndercoverElephant]

It's all rather repetitive and it is also all rather moot, since the fate of brexit is going to be decided by an election in the very near future.

But if Brexit is not delivered, the argument for ignoring the vote is legitimate.

Why give cognisance to this vote when they ignored the last?

I don't understand what you are asking me. This is an election, not a referendum.

[stumuz1]

Sorry, I'll make it simple.

Why should people accept a Labour or Conservative Government after the GE. When the Government did not accept the result of the referendum?

[Little John]

Civil Contingencies Act 2004

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7 ... d_set_free

The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 allows a government to declare an emergency, and then to rule by decree.

The Act defines “emergency� as just about anything the authorities may dislike. One possible definition is “an event or situation which threatens serious damage to human welfare in a place in the United Kingdom.� (s.1(1)) This sounds a promising excuse. It seems to cover what the Opposition claims would be the effect of a No-Deal Brexit.

Triggering the Act requires no more than “a senior Minister of the Crown� – that is, Boris Johnson – to announce an Emergency. This done, he can make, alter or suspend almost any law he likes. (s.22) He can do this for a period of thirty days. (s.26) All he has to do is preface his decree with a statement that he “is satisfied that the regulations contain only provision which is appropriate for the purpose of preventing, controlling or mitigating an aspect or effect of the emergency in respect of which the regulations are made.� (s.20(5)(b)(ii))

[Little John]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11741 ... l-election

This is how insane Labour's official policy is. They claim they will negotiate a "new deal" with the EU - that won't happen. Secondly, they say they will then put it to a referendum in which they will campaign for Remain. The EU will not waste a second negotiating a new deal with people who intend to campaign against their very own deal. Labour policy now is to trash the 2016 referendum, they just want to save face while they do it.

So, Labour wish to negotiate a deal that they know will be so shit they will campaign against it and instead campaign for Remain in a referendum where the only choices will be their shitty deal versus remain.

They are national traitors. But, then so are the majority of MP's in the house of commons

Meanwhile, we have quite biblical levels of self delusion out in the country and, even on here, among the Corbyn fan base who think he is "playng a blinder" and who are seriously trying to make out that Labour are not going to be completely destroyed over this. The liberal, bourgeois left have gone stark staring mad.