Blackouts this winter?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 03 Oct 2008, 10:26

Vortex wrote:
RenewableCandy wrote:
lancasterlad wrote: It's a long time since my first house where the windows froze on the inside!
You're going soft!
Aye, life was so tough in OUR house, that in winter the oxygen froze out of the air. The youngest bairn had the job of stirring the pools of liquid gas on the floor to get some oxygen to the rest of us. You youngsters of today don't know owt abaht nowt.

You were lucky.......

When I were a lad, we used to freeze to death every winter and not thaw out until spring. My Dads arm fell off when an icicle broke off the lampshade and hit him before he'd defrosted. The worst bit was missing Christmas.

People nowadays ? They don't know they're born.

Keepz · Post by **Keepz** » 03 Oct 2008, 11:47

adam2 wrote:a slightly doomerish article here regarding possible shortfalls and likely price increases
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 870571.ece

See also in today's press (the Torygraph excels itself):

Blackouts fear over power supply shortfall
The Daily Telegraph, p.14

No power cuts this winter, says Grid
The Daily Telegraph, p.3, Russell Hotten

Grid winter: blackout fears quelled
The Guardian, p.31

Britain 'should have enough gas for winter'
The Independent, p.49

Energy costs to rocket again as stocks run low
Daily Express, p.4

Winter gas supplies could lead to price fall
Financial Times, p.6

UK has capacity to cope with cold winter
Press and Journal, p.19

Take your pick! The report itself is here

http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Pages/MoreInfor ... winout2008

johnhemming · Post by **johnhemming** » 03 Oct 2008, 13:45

I have just read winter outlook 2008/9. National Grid seems to be looking at lower levels of LNG imports which is surprising.

They are expecting things to pick up from Norway. I am not sure that Norway has the gas available. I haven't checked recently, but I understood they were using gas for reinjection to get out oil.

Keepz · Post by **Keepz** » 03 Oct 2008, 17:23

johnhemming wrote:I have just read winter outlook 2008/9. National Grid seems to be looking at lower levels of LNG imports which is surprising.

They are expecting things to pick up from Norway. I am not sure that Norway has the gas available. I haven't checked recently, but I understood they were using gas for reinjection to get out oil.

National Grid's winter outlook report is based on an extensive and lengthy consultation process involving the whole of the energy industry - so please be assured that they will have taken full account of the best available information on Norwegian gas and LNG availability this winter. Grid are not politicians and have no reason to try to present things through rose tinted glasses.

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » 05 Oct 2008, 02:17

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 51810.html

This is not looking good.

Keepz · Post by **Keepz** » 06 Oct 2008, 09:45

Kieran wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 51810.html

This is not looking good.

That's taken into account in the Winter Outlook report as well, and there is still an ample safety margin in place throughout the winter. The narrow margin in November that's causing the concern is the margin of supply above demand plus the safety margin. It's a price issue - the most expensive plants are likely to have to run - not a security of supply issue.