Moderator: Peak Moderation
In a similar way Bill Gates makes a lot of money because he and a friend set up Microsoft.biffvernon wrote:That the system allows so much transfer of wealth for so little work done is at the root of the evil that is capitalism.
Wonk Unit wrote: Kings Road Sporting Heroes
What a disgusting bunch
Schooled in buggery, bullying and rugby
Bunch of c*nts
I think a lot of that has relevance here, from his record he isn't competent to be making decisions at this level. His vested interest in the privatisation of the NHS should disqualify him immediately.johnhemming2 wrote:Apart from the last item, none of the ad hominem attack on Jeremy Hunt has any real relevance to the issue in discussion.
The question is whether in all the circumstances the proposals to change the bonus scheme for overtime is a good idea.
I don't actually know. I can see a good argument available to both sides.
In the end politics comes down to questions as to what practical options there are for a given decision. The funds don't exist to double junior doctors' income.
But surely they are relevant to the his ability to bring people with him, to carry any respect? Isn't leadership a lot about perception? All these 'slights' against him absolutely do impact his ability to deliver his current agenda.johnhemming2 wrote:Apart from the last item, none of the ad hominem attack on Jeremy Hunt has any real relevance to the issue in discussion.
However, the principle should be whether the proposed policy change is right o wrong. It should not matter in theory whether it is proposed by one person or another there should be an objective test as to whether it is right or wrong.clv101 wrote:But surely they are relevant to the his ability to bring people with him, to carry any respect? Isn't leadership a lot about perception? All these 'slights' against him absolutely do impact his ability to deliver his current agenda.johnhemming2 wrote:Apart from the last item, none of the ad hominem attack on Jeremy Hunt has any real relevance to the issue in discussion.
Indeed, in this situation it looks like we're way beyond such rational ideas.johnhemming2 wrote:However, the principle should be whether the proposed policy change is right o wrong.clv101 wrote:But surely they are relevant to the his ability to bring people with him, to carry any respect? Isn't leadership a lot about perception? All these 'slights' against him absolutely do impact his ability to deliver his current agenda.johnhemming2 wrote:Apart from the last item, none of the ad hominem attack on Jeremy Hunt has any real relevance to the issue in discussion.
Richard Lawson wrote:17 reasons that Jeremy Hunt should resign:
Jeremy Hunt must be sacked from his post as Secretary of State for Health for the following reasons:
1. In 2005 he co-authored a book (“Direct Democracy: An Agenda for a New Model Party”) in which he called for the NHS to be dismantled “in effect denationalising the provision of health care in Britain”.
2. He wants to create a 7-day service instead of a 5-.day service without providing any extra resources.
3. He has persistently misled Parliament and the public by misrepresenting research on mortality at weekends.
4. He has used out-dated figures to mislead about stroke services.
5. He has advanced 1% a year for A&E attendances, but they are increasing by 3.6% a year.
6. Absurdly, he wants to do a survey on junior doctors' morale, when it is plain that his own dictatorial attitude is the cause of their unhappiness.
7. He expressed the foolhardy opinion that parents should Google their child's rash.
8. He misleadingly asserted that 19 NHS CEO managers agreed with his contract imposition. They did not. He had changed the text of the letter after they had signed.
9. 90% of junior doctors are considering resignation over his contract.
10. His staff told doctors that an event had been cancelled. It had not been.
11. Not content with alienating the medical profession, he is attacking the nurses by withdrawing their bursaries.
12. He claimed expenses for his Farnham home while claiming a mortgage on his Hammersmith home.
13. He claimed in 2010 that hooliganism lay behind the deaths at Hillsborough.
14. He avoided paying £100,000 in 2012 by a tax scheme.
15. Nearly 300,000 have signed an ePetition calling for a vote of No Confidence in Hunt.
16. His approval rating is -48.
17. All of the above actions are consistent with achieving his aim in point 1: he does not believe in the NHS, and wants to destroy it
It is still important to start with the rational position. This has been cocked up. Whose responsibility that is is not entirely clear. The BMA have not been perfect, but the government have failed to explain.clv101 wrote: Indeed, in this situation it looks like we're way beyond such rational ideas.
Whatever one's view on the proposed policy change, this has been a monumental political cockup.
