Deer plague

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 08 Mar 2013, 10:59

stevecook172001 wrote:I'm guessing there would be quite bit of wastage left over for the local wildlife.

That's the biggest problem I've had with roadkill deer - getting rid of two black sacks full of skin, bones and guts.

http://www.wibberley.org/fungiforaging/roadkill.htm

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 08 Mar 2013, 11:09

UndercoverElephant wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:I'm guessing there would be quite bit of wastage left over for the local wildlife.
That's the biggest problem I've had with roadkill deer - getting rid of two black sacks full of skin, bones and guts.

http://www.wibberley.org/fungiforaging/roadkill.htm

I suppose if you could find anyone who keeps pigs, they'd probably be happy to take it off your hands.

P.S.

I've just had a look at your link and all that meat for bloody free!

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 08 Mar 2013, 11:19

stevecook172001 wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:I'm guessing there would be quite bit of wastage left over for the local wildlife.
That's the biggest problem I've had with roadkill deer - getting rid of two black sacks full of skin, bones and guts.

http://www.wibberley.org/fungiforaging/roadkill.htm
I suppose if you could find anyone who keeps pigs, they'd probably be happy to take it off your hands.

P.S.

I've just had a look at your link and all that meat for bloody free!

Composting in a pile of green wood chips works well if you can't leave it to the ravens and foxes.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 08 Mar 2013, 12:47

stevecook172001 wrote: I've just had a look at your link and all that meat for bloody free!

Yep, even if you have to throw half the carcass away because of collision damage, that's still a lot of free meat.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 08 Mar 2013, 18:03

stevecook172001 wrote: I'm guessing there would be quite bit of wastage left over for the local wildlife.

As I understand it you are no longer to discard entrails in the field. You are supposed to collect it and dispose of it at a licensed site.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 08 Mar 2013, 18:07

If I had access to a deer hide I'd tan it and keep it.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 08 Mar 2013, 19:42

boisdevie wrote:If I had access to a deer hide I'd tan it and keep it.

You can get kits to do that but it is a lot of work. Gives you an appreciation for ancient women that had to tan hides on a regular basis.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 08 Mar 2013, 20:58

boisdevie wrote:If I had access to a deer hide I'd tan it and keep it.

Not if you didn't have access to a big enough outside space to do it. I live in a city. There's a good reason why tanneries were always right on the edge of town.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 Mar 2013, 09:10

UndercoverElephant wrote:
boisdevie wrote:If I had access to a deer hide I'd tan it and keep it.
Not if you didn't have access to a big enough outside space to do it. I live in a city. There's a good reason why tanneries were always right on the edge of town.

You can tan a deer hide in a five gallon plastic pail and have scrapings and other bits that might smell off and in the pedal bin daily. Tanneries reek from piles of green hides just treated with salt waiting there turn in the vats.

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 09 Mar 2013, 14:26

Historically tanneries reek because they used faeces in the process.

I suppose you could use the leftovers to boil up for soap.....that was another practice restricted due to smell even in the days when many houses had their own open cess pits.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 09 Mar 2013, 20:14

You can learn the basics of stalking and carcass preparation from the DSC1 ( Deer Stalking Course ) in the UK. It's not compulsory, but the police prefer applicants for Deer rifles to have completed the course, they also insist on a mentor in some areas.

VT, your "open season" idea won't work in the UK, the police much prefer to have one man shoot 1000 deer per year than 10 men shoot 100 each. Rifles are heavily restricted, and IMHO likely to become more so in future. I am currently applying for .308 and the process is likely to take at least 8 weeks and probably come with mentoring conditions despite having owned firearms since 1984. This is why new shooters aren't culling deer, it's a deliberate policy to remove all firearms from the public.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 09 Mar 2013, 21:17

Catweazle wrote:You can learn the basics of stalking and carcass preparation from the DSC1 ( Deer Stalking Course ) in the UK. It's not compulsory, but the police prefer applicants for Deer rifles to have completed the course, they also insist on a mentor in some areas.

VT, your "open season" idea won't work in the UK, the police much prefer to have one man shoot 1000 deer per year than 10 men shoot 100 each. Rifles are heavily restricted, and IMHO likely to become more so in future. I am currently applying for .308 and the process is likely to take at least 8 weeks and probably come with mentoring conditions despite having owned firearms since 1984. This is why new shooters aren't culling deer, it's a deliberate policy to remove all firearms from the public.

That policy is in preparation for when the shit really starts to kick off. We, the people, are being fully disarmed while the state gets busy arming itself to the teeth and setting up maximum surveillance and security structures.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 09 Mar 2013, 23:27

You can tan a deer hide using the brain of the animal. It's an old North American Indian trick apparently.

We had deer up on our patio eating our salad crops: also in the vegetable garden taking strawberries, carrots, spinach, parsnips, cabbage, kale, apple leaves..... After shooting over twenty in a couple of years they have started to avoid us most of the time.

I managed to get a .243 but with a mentoring condition after holding a.22 for a few years. But then I've got my own land and a friend had been shooting with a .3 rifle for quite a few years, with my permission.

I've just bought a night camera to set up to see what time we get visited by foxes and deer. It will save siting up all night waiting.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 10 Mar 2013, 00:24

Catweazle wrote:You can learn the basics of stalking and carcass preparation from the DSC1 ( Deer Stalking Course ) in the UK. It's not compulsory, but the police prefer applicants for Deer rifles to have completed the course, they also insist on a mentor in some areas.

VT, your "open season" idea won't work in the UK, the police much prefer to have one man shoot 1000 deer per year than 10 men shoot 100 each. Rifles are heavily restricted, and IMHO likely to become more so in future. I am currently applying for .308 and the process is likely to take at least 8 weeks and probably come with mentoring conditions despite having owned firearms since 1984. This is why new shooters aren't culling deer, it's a deliberate policy to remove all firearms from the public.

I am aware of your situation, as deplorable as it is, and I know of no realistic remedy for it. I put forward the open season as the minimum that will actually solve your deer over-population problem knowing full well you have no chance of it being adopted so you are doomed to being subjected to several misguided and expensive failed attempts.

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 10 Mar 2013, 11:49

vtsnowedin wrote: I am aware of your situation, as deplorable as it is, and I know of no realistic remedy for it. I put forward the open season as the minimum that will actually solve your deer over-population problem knowing full well you have no chance of it being adopted so you are doomed to being subjected to several misguided and expensive failed attempts.

Maybe the down trodden masses can interest UKIP, in the interests of individual freedom, to commit to reversing the recent laws? It was that bastard Bliar that did most of the recent damage so forget the Libs or Lab ever changing things back.

I have noticed of late more comments on news articles about gun crime that support wider firearms ownership on the grounds that the criminals already have guns anyway.