Financial markets reeling after France and Greece elections

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 10 May 2012, 11:11

hodson2k9 wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
I voted in our abominable government, because I didn't do enough to stop them getting in. There's only so much you can do, but I - and all the other people who didn't want them in power - could have done much more.
Like?... I don't really see what you could of done to stop conservative gaining power tbf.

I didn't tread the streets canvassing. I didn't stand for election. I didn't argue in the pub for a particular candidate. I didn't distribute leaflets. I didn't help put up notices. I didn't drive anyone to the polling station. I didn't become an activist in my chosen party. I didn't stuff envelopes for them. I didn't get into debates. I didn't beg for a job to help get my choice elected. Even if I had done anything like this, other people can work harder. Practically everyone in the country is like me in that regard, so we can't complain when the wrong ones get in.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 10 May 2012, 11:14

hodson2k9 wrote:Its not even as if there is any alternative to BAU being offered. All the main parties although they differ slightly, are deep down just the same. And the smaller parties haven't got a hope while mainstream media only promotes the big parties, and even if they did most of them again aren't offering an alternative to BAU.

So you - and I - have to do several things from my list above during the next election.

But, like you, I don't have any faith in any party. There is no political party with which either of us can sympathise fully, or even mainly.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 10 May 2012, 11:18

emordnilap wrote:I don't have any faith in any party. There is no political party with which either of us can sympathise fully, or even mainly.

Amen to that.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 10 May 2012, 11:31

Aurora wrote:
hodson2k9 wrote:
snow hope wrote:
(Sorry - in pretty sh1t mood with the world we have created. )
Theres that word again WE.

I haven't created nothing, the present system was around long before i was even born. There is nothing i could or can do to change the system, so no i don't agree with "the world we have created", we haven't created anything. There is nothing anyone on this board could do or could of done to stop the present system from happening.
Rubbish!

You use the NHS.
You use the educational system.
You probably use a bank.
You purchase products from abroad.
You probably own a car and use use fossil fuels to cook and heat your home.
You are probably surrounded by products made from plastic many of which contain expensively processed, rare minerals.
Shall I go on?

Yep used the NHS today, and sent my son to nursery and used my bank card today and yep im writing this on my laptop made of plastic.

Nope don't own a car and don't purchase things from abroad.

You take my point.

Nope im sorry i don't.

We are ALL complicit. No man is an island.

You, like so many other folk in this world, seem happy to indulge without accepting your fair share of the blame for the mess we're in and the global shit storm that's about to descend.

Time to grow up my friend.

Ok so firstly, many people have no other choice than to participate in the current system just to ensure their survival. Yes i rely on the system quite alot (although i am trying to cut my self from the system as much as i can), with out it myself and family couldn't survive. That is through no fault of my own, the current system (imo) has been purposely built this way as a tool of control, i was born into this system.

Secondly i only learnt about all the horrors (peak oil etc) last Autumn. If i would of known earlier then i would of started cutting my self from the system (as much as i can anyway) alot sooner, its not my fault the government or mainstream media or education system don't teach people about this stuff. As i have said before people can only make choices based on there current knowledge and understanding of the world.

Our education and mainstream media are all controlled so that the truth about peak oil etc is buried from the masses. If everyone freely knew about all the crisis that we face and the true consequences of there actions then you would have a point, but the fact is they don't.

Stupidly humans trust there governments to tell them the truth and make decision for the good of the people. They genuinely believe that if there really was a catastrophic crisis coming then the government would tell them or it would be on the news. People aren't suddenly going to wake up one day with the knowledge of peak oil etc so thus aren't going to stop participating in the current system because to them the current system has no problems (well serious ones anyway).

Not only that but in certain circumstances people have to participate in the system, for example in education. If i was to stop my son from attending school then i would be fined and if i carried on doing it i would face being put prison. Most people have no alternative to the system and for most it is there life, its all they know.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 10 May 2012, 11:41

Aurora wrote:
emordnilap wrote:I don't have any faith in any party. There is no political party with which either of us can sympathise fully, or even mainly.
Amen to that.

I might change that 'either' to 'many'.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 10 May 2012, 11:43

emordnilap wrote:
I didn't tread the streets canvassing. I didn't stand for election. I didn't argue in the pub for a particular candidate. I didn't distribute leaflets. I didn't help put up notices. I didn't drive anyone to the polling station. I didn't become an activist in my chosen party. I didn't stuff envelopes for them. I didn't get into debates. I didn't beg for a job to help get my choice elected. Even if I had done anything like this, other people can work harder. Practically everyone in the country is like me in that regard, so we can't complain when the wrong ones get in.

Even if we did those things it wouldn't of made any difference, we can't compete with mainstream media its as simple as that, and even if we could who do we tell them to vote for?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 10 May 2012, 11:44

hodson2k9 wrote:even if we could who do we tell them to vote for?

I nominate Biff Vernon.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 10 May 2012, 12:43

Yeah, great idea Hodson.

Why don't we all continue to TAKE from the system when it suits us and BLAME it when it doesn't.

You say you want to cut yourself off. How do you intend to do that?

If you think for one moment that you can ever hope to achieve total self sufficiency in this life, then I'm afraid to say that I feel incredibly sorry for your family. They're putting their trust in a misguided fool.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 10 May 2012, 12:45

Unfair comment.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 10 May 2012, 12:51

Aurora wrote: Yeah, great idea Hodson.

Why don't we all continue to TAKE from the system when it suits us and BLAME it when it doesn't.

Your missing the point, big time!!!

If you think for one moment that you can ever hope to achieve total self sufficiency in this life, then I'm afraid to say that I feel incredibly sorry for your family.

Exactly my point!!

I have no choice other than to participate in the system without it me and my family die.

I like others have no choice but to participate in the system that is not our fault.

I know i cant be self sufficient i never said i could.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 10 May 2012, 12:53

emordnilap wrote:Unfair comment.

Sorry folks, but it makes my blood boil when people appear to accept the many advantages of a system that they also appear to despise.

The only way for a family to achieve total self sufficiency is to refuse the many advantages (not least of all health care and education) which are currently being paid for and serviced by their contemporaries.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 10 May 2012, 12:55

hodson2k9 wrote:
Aurora wrote: Yeah, great idea Hodson.

Why don't we all continue to TAKE from the system when it suits us and BLAME it when it doesn't.
Your missing the point, big time!!!

If you think for one moment that you can ever hope to achieve total self sufficiency in this life, then I'm afraid to say that I feel incredibly sorry for your family.
Exactly my point!!

I have no choice other than to participate in the system without it me and my family die.

I like others have no choice but to participate in the system that is not our fault.

I know i cant be self sufficient i never said i could.

Then what did you mean by

I am trying to cut my self from the system

You seem somewhat confused.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 10 May 2012, 12:56

emordnilap wrote:Unfair comment.

Agreed. Hodson may have come to the peak oil party late by our standards, but he's well ahead of the main pack and seems to be a fast learner. If he's a misguided fool, then the regulars here have some responsibility for that. Aren't we supposed to be providing some sort of guidance to people new to these issues?

If we aren't, I'm not sure what the point in this board is.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 10 May 2012, 13:02

Then what did you mean by

I am trying to cut my self from the system
You seem somewhat confused.

lol

if your going to quote atleast quote properly!!

I am trying to cut my self from the system as much as i can

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 10 May 2012, 13:03

UndercoverElephant wrote:Aren't we supposed to be providing some sort of guidance to people new to these issues?

If we aren't, I'm not sure what the point in this board is.

I totally agree but surely that doesn't give any one of us the right to completely opt out of our collective responsibility to a system which does have it's advantages.