Iran warns of 'consequences' if referred to UN re uranium

newmac · Post by **newmac** » 10 Feb 2006, 13:16

Good overview of Iran and the West's intentions by the great John Pilger:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e11851.htm

Blue Peter · Post by **Blue Peter** » 10 Feb 2006, 13:27

newmac wrote:Good overview of Iran and the West's intentions by the great John Pilger:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e11851.htm

An interesting piece, though it does put the Iranian Euro Bourse centre stage, and I thought that the consensus was coming round to the idea that such a Bourse is unlikely to make much difference,

Peter (doing his best to thwart Damian by trying to link the two separate threads again

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Blue Peter · Post by **Blue Peter** » 10 Feb 2006, 13:30

Oh, and medialens has a good alert on the Iran attack media coverage:

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/index.php

Peter.

(This link is to the current alert, which this is. At some point it will go in to the archives, so this link will take you to something else, and you'll have to search the archives for the 9th Feb 2006 piece on Iran.)

Post by **mikepepler** » 10 Feb 2006, 13:34

MacG wrote:If this is a trap, the entire world will shake when it springs, but the US as we know it will be completely destroyed. It's just a matter of a month or two before they lose everything.

I've come across this idea as well, that a trap is set for the US. Who exactly is setting the trap and why though? In any case, you're right - if conflict starts it could quite quickly be TEOTWAKI, economically at least, to start with.

(for info on the acronym: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotwawki)

MacG · Post by **MacG** » 10 Feb 2006, 13:44

mikepepler wrote:
MacG wrote:If this is a trap, the entire world will shake when it springs, but the US as we know it will be completely destroyed. It's just a matter of a month or two before they lose everything.
I've come across this idea as well, that a trap is set for the US. Who exactly is setting the trap and why though? In any case, you're right - if conflict starts it could quite quickly be TEOTWAKI, economically at least, to start with.

(for info on the acronym: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotwawki)

Mr V. Putin is ex KGB. There is a lot of resentment about "losing the cold war" and the humiliating collapse of the empire and all that.

fishertrop · Post by **fishertrop** » 10 Feb 2006, 13:52

mikepepler wrote: I've come across this idea as well, that a trap is set for the US. Who exactly is setting the trap and why though?

History is repleat with stories of lesser players on the world stage attempting to topple the top-dog and replace them, this case need be no different.

skeptik · Post by **skeptik** » 10 Feb 2006, 16:49

fishertrop wrote:
mikepepler wrote: I've come across this idea as well, that a trap is set for the US. Who exactly is setting the trap and why though?
History is repleat with stories of lesser players on the world stage attempting to topple the top-dog and replace them, this case need be no different.

Well.. for a start. Guy Caruso , braindead chief pencil pusher at the EIA, in an interview of Jan 24 at http://www.electricpolitics.com/ stated that current global production is 86 million barrels a day and the spare capacity between 1.5 and 2 million barrels, mainly in the Middle East.

Iran produces 4 million barrels a day of which it consumes 1.5 million itself, leaving 2.5 million for export. ( From memory - I think those figures are correct. ) If Iranian export leaves the market, it would seem we then have an immediate global shortfall of half to one million barrels a day.

Which country will be most hurt by the resulting price spike - Russia, which has its own gas and oil suppies adequate to its current needs, or the USA up to its eyes in federal and personal debt supported by a housing market bubble? The US economy, hit by an oil price spike and (maybe) the cost of yet another war, and which is already being hollowed out by globalisation could collapse in on itself.

An American attack on Iran looks like suicide to me. Both politically for GWB and economically for the USA if it turns ino another Iraq style caper rather than just a few bombs.. If Dubya wants to take that path, I think Putin will hold the gate open for him.

I'm unsure about Chinese thinking in this situation. Whatever it is, it's longterm, and they would be prepared to take what would be in western eyes unacceptable short term losses to achieve their ends.

I suppose it comes down to how insane the neo-con cabal ("The Crazies" as the old style Replicans used to call them ) currently running the Republican party and the USA really are. What will they risk in pursuit of Dominion and Domination? Are Cheney and Dubya really looking foward to 'The Rapture' and doing their best to bring it about or is that just part of their cover to engender fundmentalist Christian support? Are the Neocon Likud party sypathisers in the Bush admin really willing to risk starting WW3 in order to further Likud party foreign policy (Eretz Israel)?

I dont know... the US seems to me to be in a lose - lose situation whatever it does

fishertrop · Post by **fishertrop** » 10 Feb 2006, 21:09

Iran: the next war
By John Pilger
02/09/06 ICH

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e11851.htm

Has Tony Blair, our minuscule Caesar, finally crossed his Rubicon? Having subverted the laws of the civilised world and brought carnage to a defenceless people and bloodshed to his own, having lied and lied and used the death of a hundredth British soldier in Iraq to indulge his profane self-pity, is he about to collude in one more crime before he goes?

fishertrop · Post by **fishertrop** » 10 Feb 2006, 21:37

Iran may need force, warns Hurd

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4698066.stm

Former Foreign Secretary Lord Hurd has said Britain cannot "realistically" rule out using military force against Iran over its nuclear programme.

DamianB · Post by **DamianB** » 11 Feb 2006, 01:46

PARIS: The International Energy Agency could call on strategic oil reserves to replace Iranian crude exports "for more than a year and a half" if Tehran were to cut off supplies, IEA executive director Claude Mandil told French radio BFM on Thursday.

"If ever, for whatever reason, there was a loss of supplies from Iran, which represent around 2.7 million barrels per day, strategic stocks managed by the IEA ... would be able to compensate for those lost 2.7 million bpd for a year and a half," he said.

"I therefore say to countries mandated to negotiate with Iran, I do not know what your plans are, but when you consider the different options, you do not have to worry about an eventual loss of Iranian oil because you have the means to deal with it."

http://Reserves to replace Iran oil substantial, IEA says

MacG · Post by **MacG** » 11 Feb 2006, 07:22

DamianB wrote:
PARIS: The International Energy Agency could call on strategic oil reserves to replace Iranian crude exports "for more than a year and a half" if Tehran were to cut off supplies, IEA executive director Claude Mandil told French radio BFM on Thursday.

"If ever, for whatever reason, there was a loss of supplies from Iran, which represent around 2.7 million barrels per day, strategic stocks managed by the IEA ... would be able to compensate for those lost 2.7 million bpd for a year and a half," he said.

"I therefore say to countries mandated to negotiate with Iran, I do not know what your plans are, but when you consider the different options, you do not have to worry about an eventual loss of Iranian oil because you have the means to deal with it."

http://Reserves to replace Iran oil substantial, IEA says

Great. I guess he mean: "At least as long as Hormuz stays open". Great fun to rebuild the reserves afterwards also.

Hmm... maybe should look for some shoemaker tools on ebay also.

Post by **mikepepler** » 11 Feb 2006, 09:39

There's some interesting info on the military side of things here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran.htm

Do people know of any other good sources of military info? Thinking about personal preparations for the economic aftermath of a war against Iran, I thought maybe watching the deployment of the armed forces would give us an idea of their schedule, and hence sufficient warning to prepare?

grinu · Post by **grinu** » 11 Feb 2006, 11:37

Ahmadinejad warns Iran could quit nuke treaty
Saturday, February 11, 2006 - ?2005 IranMania.com

http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleVi ... %20Affairs

"Until now, the Islamic republic's policy was to use nuclear technology for peaceful ends," the president said, a week after Iran was reported to the UN Security Council amid fears it is seeking nuclear weapons....

"The ''Zionist's' are on on the verge of being destroyed; the time of occupation is coming to an end, so put an end to your slavery of 'Zionism'," he said of the West.

World News
Saturday February 11, 2006-- Muharram 12, 1427 A.H.

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2006-dail ... rld/w5.htm

CARACAS: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called US President George W Bush a "madman" late on Thursday and accused the United States and Britain of planning to invade Iran, Venezuela?s closest ally in the Middle East. "He thinks of himself as the owner of the world and now they are making plans to invade Iran, and plans against Venezuela too," Chavez said in a televised speech.

"The guy is a madman." Chavez, a sharp critic of the US-led war in Iraq, did not provide any evidence of his allegations. Chavez frequently refers to Bush as "Mr Danger" and has accused the US president of being "the greatest terrorist in the world."

Iran Will Set Off Middle East Arms Race, Conservative Warns
Sherrie Gossett
Staff Writer

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1378021.html

Washington (CNSNews.com) - If Iran obtains a nuclear weapon it would likely set off a dangerous arms race in the Middle East and increase the probability that terrorists will acquire weapons of mass destruction, speakers argued at a forum sponsored by the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C.

"Iran poses the single largest foreign policy challenge," said Ilan Berman. "They pose a direct challenge to our goals in the war on terrorism."

Thursday February 09, 2006-- Muharram 10, 1427 A.H.
Euro factor to the Iran ?crisis?
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2006-dail ... ped/o5.htm

Many political commentators have pointed out that the deficit-ridden US and British economies have only been able to continue their unsustainable ways because the US dollar enjoys the artificial privilege of being the world?s reserve currency. The world?s two existing oil markets, the NYMEX in New York and the International Petroleum Exchange in London, both owned by US capital, insist on all oil transactions being conducted in US dollars. For this reason, all countries must have substantial reserves of dollars to ensure vital supplies of fuel energy. This means that the US economy can go on accumulating stratospheric debts because they can just keep printing more dollars, knowing that the rest of the world will have to take them in order to keep their oil supplies coming.

American political analyst Mike Whitney points out that the US is now running a total debt of $8 trillion, which makes it by far the world?s biggest economic basket case.

Whitney said: "America?s currency monopoly is the perfect pyramid scheme. As long as nations are forced to buy oil in dollars, the US can continue its profligate spending with impunity. The only threat to this strategy is the prospect of competition from an independent oil exchange, forcing the faltering dollar to go nose to nose with more stable, debt-free currencies such as the euro.

"That would compel central banks to diversify their currency holdings, sending billions of dollars back to America and ensuring a devastating economic crash."

Iran has already given notice to the world that it intends opening this new euro oil market next month. With the devastating blow that this move will cause to the US-British economies, we can expect Washington and Britain to precipitate a pre-emptive confrontation with Iran over its ?nuclear ambitions? and ?threats?, using poor little (nuclear-armed-to-the-teeth) Israel as a proxy.

hatchelt · Post by **hatchelt** » 13 Feb 2006, 10:08

mikepepler wrote:Thinking about personal preparations for the economic aftermath of a war against Iran,

What kinds of preparations are you thinking of Mike? (this might make a good thread else where)
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frankd2689 · Post by **frankd2689** » 13 Feb 2006, 16:42

Don't know how much of this one to believe - any comments.

http://www.evworld.com/blogs/index.cfm? ... &archive=0

Cheers