Migrant watch (merged topic)

[BritDownUnder]

No I don't believe you.

You seem to have the notion in your head that just because your drug use has no seeming effect on you that it is the same for other people and society at large when the evidence I can find suggests that drugs, even as 'soft' as cannabis, have a great adverse effect.

Also if you are in an accident in Australia and you have cannabis in your system then you are in trouble, both with the law and also with the insurance companies.

[Ralphw2]

Northern Island judge rules large parts of the Rwanda bill cannot be enforced in the region because it contravenes human rights law.

[Default0ptions]

However . . .

“The number of people claiming asylum in [the republic of] Ireland has risen, with the Irish government claiming 80% have arrived from Northern Ireland.

It has blamed the Rwanda policy - the fear of deportation - for the increase, and wants to send migrants back to the UK.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68920391

That does seem to imply that the policy is already having a deterrent effect.

Still, if the Rwanda bill can’t be enforced in NI, I hope they enjoy the vibrant diversity they will continue to attract.

[UndercoverElephant]

No I don't believe you.

You seem to have the notion in your head that just because your drug use has no seeming effect on you that it is the same for other people and society at large when the evidence I can find suggests that drugs, even as 'soft' as cannabis, have a great adverse effect.

I didn't say it had no effect. I like the effect. The problem with this conversation is that I know what the effect actually is, and you don't have a clue.

[mr brightside]

Still, if the Rwanda bill can’t be enforced in NI, I hope they enjoy the vibrant diversity they will continue to attract.

How can they complain about such cultural richness?

[kenneal - lagger]

Rather than sending all these illegal immigrates to Rwanda, shouldn't we just ship them to new holding camps in Northern Ireland next to the border with Ireland? I am sure that quite a few will find there way over the border to the south and ship the problem back onto the EU.

The main problem with the boat people is the number who might be crime or terrorist driven as there is no control over who comes. The other problem with this is that we don't know how many "criminal" boats are arriving undetected and with what illicit cargo. A "criminal" boat would likely be smaller, more lightly occupied and therefore safer, quicker and more likely to successfully avoid detection.

The reason to give this very small number of arrivals the attention that they are getting is to deter the possible millions who could come in the future looking for sanctuary from climate change disaster or Russian/Authoritarian fomented political chaos in their home countries. We have already seen Russia and Belarus shipping in refugees to cause problems for western Europe and, probably, to make some money for the rulers from human trafficking. Only prompt action bu Poland, Finland and Norway stopped this in its tracks.

This is a lesson that was learned on the continent from Germany's opening of its doors to migrants a few years ago and their subsequent slamming shut within a year again when the system was rapidly overloaded. If that can happen with the current trickle of migrants, what would happen when the trickle becomes a flood? There might be a warm, feel good factor for some people about being kind and humanitarian to refugees but when most of those refugees are economic migrants and are coming in vastly increasing numbers a cap has to be put in place.

This known problem, which will be exacerbated by further worsening climate change, is just another reason to urgently and seriously address climate change. Just like we know that climate change is going to bring serious extreme weather events, we also know that, unaddressed, it will bring a flood of refugees and economic migrants who will cause serious problems for our political systems and way of life (beyond the problems caused by the weather itself) and probably destroy our democracies in the process.

Meanwhile, economists and some politicians see the influx of people as an economic opportunity to be grasped with both hands!! Is it any wonder that nothing serious is being done to prevent climate change happening?

[UndercoverElephant]

Farage in the Telegraph:

Mass immigration is about to tear apart British society

Nobody voted for mass migration; taxpayers have had no say in it; and everybody has been told that they must accept it. It is simply wrong

https://archive.is/9xkWa

For the first time in my life, sectarian politics has become a part of English political life. The rigid adherence to a narrow set of beliefs – whether religious or ethnic – is beginning to cause serious problems. This intolerance seems to be growing in tandem with votes being cast en masse along certain lines.
Evidence is not hard to find. Just this month after a local election in Leeds a Green Party councillor called Mothin Ali shouted “Allahu Akbar!” after being elected to a city council. This shocked many people and outraged others. On Wednesday, a pro-Palestinian protest near Downing Street turned violent after thousands of people staged an “emergency rally”. A policewoman suffered facial injuries from a glass bottle. In the summer of 2022, there were ugly clashes in Birmingham between Hindus and Muslims.
Political disagreements from other parts of the world have been imported into this country, principally from the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent. Those of us who live here are being forced to deal with the consequences.
The major worry is that sectarianism often leads to extremism. Sectarian beliefs are a breeding ground for terrorist groups who may then commit atrocities at will. We should all be fearful of that.
According to a poll published by JL Partners in April and commissioned by the Henry Jackson Society, 23 per cent of 18-34 year old British Muslims support the concept of jihad. One in three Muslims in this age bracket want Sharia Law to be imposed in Britain – that is, death for apostasy; amputation of a hand for theft; stoning or lashing for adultery. Granted, this was just one poll of 1,000 people, but those statistics should ring a very loud alarm right around the country.
If anybody doubts the extent to which political parties are now in thrall to this phenomenon, just consider how a few days ago Angela Rayner, the deputy leader of the Labour Party, sat in a room full of Muslim men in her Ashton-under-Lyne constituency begging them for their vote on 4 July and thanking them for getting her “over the line” in 2019.
Rayner, whose 4,000 majority is being targeted by George Galloway’s Workers Party of Britain, promised her audience that Labour “supports” the International Criminal Court’s decision to arrest Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu – and Hamas leaders – over allegations of war crimes in Gaza.
The paradox here is that some groups are perfectly relaxed about women being reduced to second class citizens with no vote at all. And so what this country faces is a situation where the democratic rights of women risk being set back by almost a century, universal suffrage having been achieved in 1928.
Can the situation be reversed? That is a very hard question to answer. Perhaps in the first instance it would be best to say that we should all be working to make sure it doesn’t get any worse.
My view is that mass immigration over the past 25 years under Labour and the Tories is responsible for the rise in sectarian politics. Nobody voted for mass immigration; taxpayers have had no say in it; and everybody has been told in no uncertain terms that they must accept it. But in so many ways it has caused more problems than it has solved.
A third of a million people from the subcontinent and 140,000 from Nigeria came to live in Britain in the last year alone, according to the ONS last week. Will they all integrate fully into British society?
What is more, these islands have never before experienced large numbers of young people living here who not only refuse to adapt to our way of life but who wish for their way of life to become the norm for everybody else as well.
An uncomfortable reality must be confronted. No matter how long he has left in power, Sunak must address it head-on. Sir Keir Starmer had better have something meaningful to say and do about it as well if, as the bookmakers reckon, he is going to be in Number 10 from 5 July. I for one will hold his feet to the fire if he is in charge.
Nobody else in this election campaign but me would dare to make these points but I suspect that in the privacy of their own homes, many politicians from the Left and the Right are as concerned as I am about this disturbing trend. They owe it to the country to have an honest debate before things get any worse.

[clv101]

Well done Nigel! No mention of small boats or Rwanda and correctly focusing the *legal* three quarters of million in the last year.

[UndercoverElephant]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28248452/ ... migration/

MANIFESTO PLEDGE Keir Starmer says “read my lips – I will cut immigration” and vows to crack down on foreign visas and train more Brits

SIR Keir Starmer today unveils a manifesto promise to cut the number of immigrants coming to Britain.

The Labour leader made the landmark pledge in an exclusive interview with The Sun on Sunday.

Thanks to the tories letting immigration get wildly out of control, Starmer can honour this pledge whilst still leaving immigration much higher than it was in 2019.

[clv101]

Indeed! This phonomina is occurring in a few places, pledging not to raise taxes isn't much of a pledge given we're already at post-war record high taxation.

[BritDownUnder]

Indeed! This phonomina is occurring in a few places, pledging not to raise taxes isn't much of a pledge given we're already at post-war record high taxation.

I suspect this record will not last for long. The changes in demographics - more oldies and less youngies - will inevitably lead to more taxation. Talk of reform or even abolishment of the National Insurance scheme.

New Zealand had quite a lot of immigration in 2023 as well so it is a worldwide phenomenon. Especially from India. An Egyptian I had the misfortune to work with on a site recently said that he left Egypt because he thought it was going to 'collapse'.

[kenneal - lagger]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28248452/ ... migration/

MANIFESTO PLEDGE Keir Starmer says “read my lips – I will cut immigration” and vows to crack down on foreign visas and train more Brits

SIR Keir Starmer today unveils a manifesto promise to cut the number of immigrants coming to Britain.

The Labour leader made the landmark pledge in an exclusive interview with The Sun on Sunday.

Thanks to the tories letting immigration get wildly out of control, Starmer can honour this pledge whilst still leaving immigration much higher than it was in 2019.

The Tories didn't let immigration get out of control they deliberately allowed 750,000 immigrants in in one year and 600,000 the next to boost economic growth. Would Labour have done the same? Who knows who gave the advise for such a policy. Was it civil service advise, in which case a Labour would likely have done the same, or was it Party advisors?

[UndercoverElephant]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0vv717yvpeo

The Greek coastguard has caused the deaths of dozens of migrants in the Mediterranean over a three-year period, witnesses say, including nine who were deliberately thrown into the water.

The nine are among more than 40 people alleged to have died as a result of being forced out of Greek territorial waters, or taken back out to sea after reaching Greek islands, BBC analysis has found.

[UndercoverElephant]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y87yp75ego

The Home Office has outlined plans to tackle illegal immigration, including deploying 100 new intelligence officers to target people smuggling gangs.

Ministers are also promising a "large surge" in the number of flights removing failed asylum seekers and others in the UK illegally.

As part of its plan the government says it will reopen immigration removal centres in Hampshire and Oxfordshire, adding 290 beds.

[mr brightside]

290 beds? What's that then, a weekend's worth of crossings? They need to convert an oil tanker or something. I'd be surprised if anybody has the spine to make a difference, it's about doing just enough to look like you are tackling the problem.